Gewalttätige Pornografie zeigt, die Strangulation verboten wird

Oh good because that’ll stop the murderers from strangling people.

Sounds good but how are they going to enforce that exactly?

As long as they don’t ban the system of a down song by mistake.

But real violence they won’t even bother to prosecute.

UK justice is now just a performative space for virtue signalling.

Enforce the existing laws before implementing unenforceable new ones.

Ok, so, firstly I want to say that there are absolutely issues with this kind of sexual practice – there are obviously non-consensual acts of choking during sex, which everyone should be able to agree is totally unacceptable (though a 2022 survey suggested that 92% of people reporting sexual choking said it was consensual so, it isn’t massively widespread – though that figure should be 100%). There are also studies showing that this practice is potentially harmful over the long term:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10294564/

That being said research has shown that

„A significant portion of women report finding choking during sex pleasurable, with some studies indicating that as many as 41.1% of all participants in a study reported it being „very pleasurable“.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9333342/

So, I’m not sure what to make of this – lots of people are doing it, are consenting to it and finding it enjoyable and, as much as I personally don’t think it’s a good idea, it’s up to people what they do with their sexual partners (assuming it is consensual).

I don’t think banning pornography depicting it is the way forward at all (unless you’re going to make the argument that porn encourages unhealthy sexual behaviour and this justifies banning it, in which case I think you would have to ban porn altogether if you’re taking that line of reasoning) but I do think raising awareness of how harmful it can be (even if it’s done „carefully“, without causing unconsciousness and with consent) would be a good idea.

I don’t think it’s a practice we should be encouraging, but I’m not sure that banning stuff is a particularly helpful strategy either.

>It is already a criminal offence to possess porn depicting life-threatening acts, such as graphic strangulation.

Another new law for something already illegal then?

My main porn viewing came when I was a teenager, roughly 2003-2008, and I can’t remember seeing a lot of violent material, most of it was quite vanilla. Not saying violent pornography didn’t exist, but you would have to really go and want to find the nasty stuff. It would probably be in the same category as BDSM.

On the rare occasion I look for porn today, it is noticeable how much more extreme the baseline is. On tube sites choking, spitting etc is front and centre rather than being a fringe interest. Not good, but I fear the genie is out the bottle.

Oh good because the one thing keeping me awake at night was worrying about the impact of strangulation pornography, Not climate change, the economy, potential world war 3 or the crime rate… nope not me.

But it’s fine to watch someone get strangled to death on a TV show.

Porn is acting, so what’s the difference?

„Minister for victims and tackling VAWG Alex Davies-Jones said cracking down on extreme porn will send a clear message that ‘misogyny will not be tolerated’“

So if your partner asks you to choke them you should say no or you are being a bigot?

I’m not into that sort of thing anyway so I would say no regardless but it seems a weird thing for the Minister to say.

What about deepfake pornography of James May naked smothering his balls over Jeremy Clarksons body as they get lukewarm Bovril poured over both of them by Hammond?

To make the case for this there needs to be a strong evidence base that watching this type of porn increases cases of non consensual violence.

Is there evidence for this?

You then need evidence a ban would be effectively enforced (difficult) and that it doesn’t create other harms such as pushing people off better regulated websites that check actors are consenting and if legal age towards more unregulated online spaces.

You then need to weigh up the harm from violence against the harm to people’s freedom of expression as a human right.

Wish we could move on from the ‚video games make people violent‘-type rhetoric already. Wish they’d start solving actual problems instead of busying themselves with puritanic virtue-signalling.

BDSM is fun and enjoyable for a lot of people. TIL I’m a misogynist because my boyfriend likes being choked and I like doing it to him.

Porn does seem to be a special category of thing that can warrant a different approach to other content.

The big problem is that porn is still how a lot of people „learn“ about sex. People seem generally oblivious to the risks not just of strangulation/asphyxiation but a range of other sexual practices since the only place they see sex is in porn, and there isn’t much content that shows how sex works in real life.

There’s also the reality that with the internet it’s far easier for children to stumble across content that they probably shouldn’t. We regulated film and TV to restrict certain content, so we will regulate online content in the same way. Not many people are complaining about the watershed or the existence of 15/18/R18 film/game classification as some horrible impost on adults.

People say that a ban like this can’t be enforced, but already the major porn platforms do geo-restrict certain content. That makes some difference. Yes, you will still find all the dodgy and illegal stuff out there if you look hard enough but when it’s off the major platforms it makes it harder to stumble across. It makes it generally less common.

The reality is that we have regulated media basically forever, and there probably is, on balance, some good in regulating what content is available for consumption. The kind of free for all that the early internet gave us couldn’t last and as we figure out how the new media landscape fits in with our broader culture, we’ll likely continue to regulate it.

Or maybe we just need some 70s style public education films showing the horror of sex strangling gone wrong, or the tragic effects of a2m etc.

Governments should always try to avoid legislating bans that are extremely difficult to enforce. The inevitable failure to enforce the bans undermines the rest of the legal system.

How about instead of policy for dumb people you just educate people that if they want to pee on someone they have to have a conversation about it first…….

Like cmon guys we aren’t animals…..

This is a stupid ban pushed out by dinosaurs and I wish Baronesses were stripped of their ability to write „reports“ which dictated government policy after the Cass report turned out to be a bigoted disaster which didn’t even include the views of trans people or doctors who treated them.

I think just about every woman I’ve been with has begged me to choke them and none of them were the porn watching type.

Can we instead focus our resources on doing things to _actually_ combat hate and violence against women? Perhaps by reforming education around it? Offering widespread prevention programs?

It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.

The article isn’t specific enough. Is this a ban extending to very light choking where barely any pressure is applied? Is just a ban of extremely violent strangulation/choking to the point of the person on the receiving end going blue in the face and shit like that? Is it in between? Needs to have more clarification

The police can’t even stop CP being shared on Discord servers either because of incompetence or lack of manpower now there increasing the work load by 10???