Doctors at Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) hospitals nationwide could refuse to treat unmarried veterans and Democrats under new hospital guidelines imposed following an executive order by Donald Trump.
The new rules, obtained by the Guardian, also apply to psychologists, dentists and a host of other occupations. They have already gone into effect in at least some VA medical centers.
Desperate_Story7561 on
“This is illegal and unconstitutional.”
DaveChild on
> Language requiring healthcare professionals to care for veterans regardless of their politics and marital status has been explicitly eliminated.
So they could also refuse to treat Republicans, presumably?
Downtown-Leather4047 on
Awesome, more bs.
lSleepster on
Sounds like a way to get some doctors killed.
No_Hall_2467 on
If medical personnel refuse to treat anyone, for any reason they are i. the wrong line of work and their license needs to be revoked. It ’s not a cake, they are not bakers – (we do need to boycott everyone with a hate agenda)
DiscoRabbittTV on
The fascist file is getting thick yall
foo-bar-25 on
And if they do refuse, they’re violating the Hippocratic oath.
phosdick on
I’ll predict that this will end up being a widely condemned TACO moment for the Orange Pus Blister that is trump. It will happen soon after the very first case of some MAGAt denying treatment – America (even some GOPs) will well up with disgust and condemnation, and the pus blister that is trump will pop, chicken out, and back down… in disgrace.
(Sorry folks… I’m experimenting to find the appropriate terms to name or describe this alleged president.)
elegant-quokka on
It removes the wording from the VA guidelines to protect care for political identity which honestly should in practice mean jack shit to your typical doctor unless they’re some tool that 1. asks political affiliation as part of patient care and 2. Have total disregard for any notion of professionalism and ethical responsibility in medicine.
FuzyTheWompus on
> They “seem to open the door to discrimination on the basis of anything that is not legally protected”, said Dr Kenneth Kizer, the VA’s top healthcare official during the Clinton administration. He said the changes open up the possibility that doctors could refuse to treat veterans based on their “reason for seeking care – including allegations of rape and sexual assault – current or past political party affiliation or political activity, and personal behavior such as alcohol or marijuana use”
This is some really fucked up, twisted bullshit. I’m not a veteran, which this impacts, but guess who will be next? **EVERYONE ELSE**
HomeworkInevitable99 on
„individual workers are now free to decline to care for patients based on personal characteristics not explicitly prohibited by federal law“
So they could refuse to treat republicans.
m1j2p3 on
It’s astounding how much conservatives hate veterans.
Revolutionary-pawn on
So my understanding is if a Republican presents with a GSW, there’s now zero duty to treat. lol
wranglero2 on
You can’t make this up!
CynicalSigtyr on
Hippocratic Oath?
verifiedboomer on
This is a weird spin on the story, though.
„Until the recent changes, VA hospitals’ bylaws said that medical staff could not discriminate against patients “on the basis of race, age, color, sex, religion, national origin, politics, marital status or disability in any **employment matter** [emphasis mine]”. Now, several of those items – including “national origin,” “politics” and “marital status” – have been removed from that list.“
wowlock_taylan on
What the actual fuck?
harrisarah on
Straight up evil assholes
alabasterskim on
These are the kinds of actions you do when your goal is to destroy your military. This could dissuade enrollment since afterwards you may not get the care you deserve.
MangoSalsa89 on
By “unmarried veterans” I’m going to assume that is women and lgbtq veterans.
personman_76 on
This is how people like Frank Burns run a hospital
SmokedUp_Corgi on
Wow this is so fucked up so unless you are probably a white married republican you can’t get treated. If anyone is a victim of this then they need to report it to the state department of health and possibly sue.
ConkerPrime on
Crap headline but basically means BA can refuse care for reasons like not politics or single status or didn’t go to church on Sunday. Also means conservatives will because for wide variety of reasons too. If a doc basically can just go “this person rubs me the wrong way, cut him loose.”
It’s what majority of veterans voted for and who knows how many that decided to not vote in support of Trump.
canuck47 on
Actually not surprised by this. There has been decades of right wing media and politicians callig Democrats the ENEMY. Not their opponents, or that they have a difference of opinion- they are the enemy. They hate America. They hate freedom. They are devil worshipping baby killers. Are we surprised they are assasinating Democrats now?
inthekeyofc on
Trump may well be the most dangerous enemy America has ever faced.
JustMeAndMyKnickas on
Let a veteran who supports MAGA have their healthcare denied and they’ll correct it
ctguy54 on
New oath for tump’s VA:
“First do no harm, unless they don’t look like you, act like you, believe like you, or vote like you.”
He wants to cut the VA. What a better way than to create a moral dilemma, so the staff has to choose between what’s right or what has been ordered. Many will choose to leave rather than comply with this.
gizmostuff on
Tbh, I wouldn’t want any VA doctor treating me anyway if they were hardcore MAGA and followed these new rules.
LatrodectusGeometric on
As a doctor, WHAT THE HELL
AlternativeNewtDuck on
Volunteered at a veterans event recently.. the number of maga-like stickers on vehicles was disgusting. Their propaganda outlets must not inform them that the (r)ight takes every opportunity to remove or limit what services are provided to them as vets.
Luzion on
I want to commend The Guardian for bringing us largely unbiased news exposes like this. No one else does these anymore, that I know of. Thank you.
350 on
As a VA clinician, 1) I wouldn’t obey this even if you told me to, 2) we still have to keep our damn licenses, which require adherence to professional ethics.
unrealnarwhale on
But „it’s NoT fAsCiSm“
MclovinBuddha on
I can’t believe this is legal. It’s even more shocking that a majority of us supported the things that lead to this policy. I guess we’re all to blame
Capital-Delivery8001 on
Thanks for fighting for the freedom of all Americans. Now I’m taking away the medical care you’re entitled to because you’re not aligned with my political views.
That’s fucking discusting
Ok-Mechanic-5128 on
This is fn disgusting- just one terrible loathsome action after another
Brigadius on
Titles a bit misleading because they could also refuse to treat Republicans, redheads, blondes, or people with shifty eyes, based on the wording. Still, this rule should never have existed, and will probably be smacked down by a judge.
lamsar503 on
Hospitals are not a place where “right to refuse services to anybody should apply”.
There are waaay too many things that cause people to act aggressively and garner irritation.
Even people coming out of seizures will act aggressively, but it’s not their neurotypical state.
This policy is short sighted and far too exploitable by bad providers.
Rickbox on
Yes! Piss off the military more, you orange oaf. Feel bad for the vets, but they voted for this (65%), and I am betting current soldiers are not happy with this either.
jaron_b on
Wtf is their problem with unmarried vet? Why not just discriminate against all unmarried people.
EmptyCanvas_76 on
What the fuck?
ChefChopNSlice on
This is eerily similar to the religions missionaries that go to third world countries and only help or feed the poor after they’ve accepted Jesus as their savior. Southpark did these people well.
DanceDelievery on
Hippocratic oath: „Am I a joke to you?“
Vast_Minimum_4079 on
Ok we should also turn away republicans/Trump supporters/Christians who’s seeking medical treatment.That my friend goes both ways .
PlacebosForALL on
This administration really has taken a shit over the medical profession with RFK jr, Dr oz, a fucking wellness influencer in power and now this
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Doctors at Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) hospitals nationwide could refuse to treat unmarried veterans and Democrats under new hospital guidelines imposed following an executive order by Donald Trump.
The new rules, obtained by the Guardian, also apply to psychologists, dentists and a host of other occupations. They have already gone into effect in at least some VA medical centers.
“This is illegal and unconstitutional.”
> Language requiring healthcare professionals to care for veterans regardless of their politics and marital status has been explicitly eliminated.
So they could also refuse to treat Republicans, presumably?
Awesome, more bs.
Sounds like a way to get some doctors killed.
If medical personnel refuse to treat anyone, for any reason they are i. the wrong line of work and their license needs to be revoked. It ’s not a cake, they are not bakers – (we do need to boycott everyone with a hate agenda)
The fascist file is getting thick yall
And if they do refuse, they’re violating the Hippocratic oath.
I’ll predict that this will end up being a widely condemned TACO moment for the Orange Pus Blister that is trump. It will happen soon after the very first case of some MAGAt denying treatment – America (even some GOPs) will well up with disgust and condemnation, and the pus blister that is trump will pop, chicken out, and back down… in disgrace.
(Sorry folks… I’m experimenting to find the appropriate terms to name or describe this alleged president.)
It removes the wording from the VA guidelines to protect care for political identity which honestly should in practice mean jack shit to your typical doctor unless they’re some tool that 1. asks political affiliation as part of patient care and 2. Have total disregard for any notion of professionalism and ethical responsibility in medicine.
> They “seem to open the door to discrimination on the basis of anything that is not legally protected”, said Dr Kenneth Kizer, the VA’s top healthcare official during the Clinton administration. He said the changes open up the possibility that doctors could refuse to treat veterans based on their “reason for seeking care – including allegations of rape and sexual assault – current or past political party affiliation or political activity, and personal behavior such as alcohol or marijuana use”
This is some really fucked up, twisted bullshit. I’m not a veteran, which this impacts, but guess who will be next? **EVERYONE ELSE**
„individual workers are now free to decline to care for patients based on personal characteristics not explicitly prohibited by federal law“
So they could refuse to treat republicans.
It’s astounding how much conservatives hate veterans.
So my understanding is if a Republican presents with a GSW, there’s now zero duty to treat. lol
You can’t make this up!
Hippocratic Oath?
This is a weird spin on the story, though.
„Until the recent changes, VA hospitals’ bylaws said that medical staff could not discriminate against patients “on the basis of race, age, color, sex, religion, national origin, politics, marital status or disability in any **employment matter** [emphasis mine]”. Now, several of those items – including “national origin,” “politics” and “marital status” – have been removed from that list.“
What the actual fuck?
Straight up evil assholes
These are the kinds of actions you do when your goal is to destroy your military. This could dissuade enrollment since afterwards you may not get the care you deserve.
By “unmarried veterans” I’m going to assume that is women and lgbtq veterans.
This is how people like Frank Burns run a hospital
Wow this is so fucked up so unless you are probably a white married republican you can’t get treated. If anyone is a victim of this then they need to report it to the state department of health and possibly sue.
Crap headline but basically means BA can refuse care for reasons like not politics or single status or didn’t go to church on Sunday. Also means conservatives will because for wide variety of reasons too. If a doc basically can just go “this person rubs me the wrong way, cut him loose.”
It’s what majority of veterans voted for and who knows how many that decided to not vote in support of Trump.
Actually not surprised by this. There has been decades of right wing media and politicians callig Democrats the ENEMY. Not their opponents, or that they have a difference of opinion- they are the enemy. They hate America. They hate freedom. They are devil worshipping baby killers. Are we surprised they are assasinating Democrats now?
Trump may well be the most dangerous enemy America has ever faced.
Let a veteran who supports MAGA have their healthcare denied and they’ll correct it
New oath for tump’s VA:
“First do no harm, unless they don’t look like you, act like you, believe like you, or vote like you.”
He wants to cut the VA. What a better way than to create a moral dilemma, so the staff has to choose between what’s right or what has been ordered. Many will choose to leave rather than comply with this.
Tbh, I wouldn’t want any VA doctor treating me anyway if they were hardcore MAGA and followed these new rules.
As a doctor, WHAT THE HELL
Volunteered at a veterans event recently.. the number of maga-like stickers on vehicles was disgusting. Their propaganda outlets must not inform them that the (r)ight takes every opportunity to remove or limit what services are provided to them as vets.
I want to commend The Guardian for bringing us largely unbiased news exposes like this. No one else does these anymore, that I know of. Thank you.
As a VA clinician, 1) I wouldn’t obey this even if you told me to, 2) we still have to keep our damn licenses, which require adherence to professional ethics.
But „it’s NoT fAsCiSm“
I can’t believe this is legal. It’s even more shocking that a majority of us supported the things that lead to this policy. I guess we’re all to blame
Thanks for fighting for the freedom of all Americans. Now I’m taking away the medical care you’re entitled to because you’re not aligned with my political views.
That’s fucking discusting
This is fn disgusting- just one terrible loathsome action after another
Titles a bit misleading because they could also refuse to treat Republicans, redheads, blondes, or people with shifty eyes, based on the wording. Still, this rule should never have existed, and will probably be smacked down by a judge.
Hospitals are not a place where “right to refuse services to anybody should apply”.
There are waaay too many things that cause people to act aggressively and garner irritation.
Even people coming out of seizures will act aggressively, but it’s not their neurotypical state.
This policy is short sighted and far too exploitable by bad providers.
Yes! Piss off the military more, you orange oaf. Feel bad for the vets, but they voted for this (65%), and I am betting current soldiers are not happy with this either.
Wtf is their problem with unmarried vet? Why not just discriminate against all unmarried people.
What the fuck?
This is eerily similar to the religions missionaries that go to third world countries and only help or feed the poor after they’ve accepted Jesus as their savior. Southpark did these people well.
Hippocratic oath: „Am I a joke to you?“
Ok we should also turn away republicans/Trump supporters/Christians who’s seeking medical treatment.That my friend goes both ways .
This administration really has taken a shit over the medical profession with RFK jr, Dr oz, a fucking wellness influencer in power and now this