I think due to social media and more people recording, it certainly feels like it and probably isn’t even though the internet echo chambers might suggest otherwise.
DukePPUk on
> According to the crime survey, there were 9.6 million victim-based crimes (including fraud) in 2024, up from 8.4 million in 2023. But in the grand scheme of things, this might be a blip: in 1995 there were almost 20 million crimes recorded by this survey (and it did not even include fraud then). Violence, in particular, has fallen by about three quarters since the 1990s, a trend mirrored in many rich countries. All crime statistics should be taken with this in mind: Britain is a much safer country than it was 30, 20, even 10 years ago.
I feel like this is the part worth emphasising.
Measuring trends in crime is difficult – you have differences in reporting rates, changes in policy, laws and recording etc., but the crime survey is generally the most reliable and consistent set of data. It’s also worth keeping out for „blips“, where we need long-term trends to see what is actually going on. Unfortunately it takes a while for that data to filter through.
Narrow_Maximum7 on
Its reports recorded by police.
Are shops calling? I know people who have been asked if they want a crime report number for insurance, when they say no they end the call, is that recorded?
R1ckers on
I can see others have mentioned the reporting rate and it was also my thoughts on this too. With the reports they’re less police available to attend and that being a mildly known fact, maybe that would see less crimes being officially reported? As a result, this could affect the stats right?
SaucyRagu96 on
When my local Tesco locks up cheese and has a security door manned by a guard, I will say yes. It is more lawless. DESPITE what they data shows.
It’s what it feels like as a normal person day in day out
AddictedToRugs on
The percentage of crimes that result in prosecution is far more important than the absolute number of crimes committed when assessing whether a society is becoming lawless.
Farewell-Farewell on
Anecdotally, large amounts of crime are unreported. Why bother when the police are unresponsive and uninterested.
AggravatingAssist267 on
Most crimes aren’t reported…
Im sorry but phone theft for example wasn’t on the scale it is now. People weren’t going around on e-bikes stealing 20-30 phones a day
The country has more people, the idea that with even more people the crime rate has dropped in half is laughable.
Aggregating crime data is also pointless, you can hide horrific increases in violent crime.. in with crimes that are now hard to commit, but less shocking.
(Look at arrest rates for R**e, its only increased since 2016. After steady oscillating numbers for years.)
Ok-Hedgehog-4455 on
This thread reads like a bunch of people who are determined to be miserable, no matter what evidence is presented to them. What a fucking bunch of twats.
teenconstantx on
Before everyone start blaming immigrants, the performance of police is pathetic, own it. From car theft to robbery their default response is they don’t care. We may have to outsource policing along with IT. Current lot is only good for eating Greggs in their car
gottenluck on
This article is all over the place. So, the headline mentions „the UK“, the article then switches to talking about „Britain“ but then cites a crime survey that only covers *England & Wales*
adamgreyo on
The more unsafer the streets get the more the government tells people that the uk has never been safer. Animal farm in full effect
ThumblessThanos on
Look I think societally we just know crime survey data is in opposition to reality. It has stopped being a useful metric for a very long time now.
Mobile_Entrance_1967 on
I know they were caricatures but the pictures of 18th Century rowdy raucous mobs in London is how it feels today. It’s like we’re going back to the old days but _way_ back.
Plastic-Injury8856 on
Examining the data is not going to help anything. I absolutely cannot fathom how so many people are addicted to the idea that the data matters.
tylerthe-theatre on
Overall crime is down from the 2000s and 2010s but specific crimes like knife crime are up, shoplifting is at its highest point ever and phone theft is obviously high.
MarcusBlueWolf on
When you have an underfunded police force who are constantly let down by the “justice” system almost every time they actually catch a criminal by giving them a suspended sentence because the jails are full, the obvious solution is to build more prisons and make sure police are funded properly.
Financial_Village237 on
People are so terrified of authoritarianism that they have neutered all authorities to point of uselessness. The police in particular have been crippled because they can’t enforce the law against particular demographics and can’t apprehended suspects unless the suspect let’s them because any use of force will be treated as police brutality.
w3spql on
Greater Manchester police haven’t been able to publish crime stats since 2019!
Karnak-Horizon on
Simple answer. Yes
I see yobs bombing around on noisy motorbikes, electric bikes, stand up scooters etc with no regards for the safety of others.
These losers are prancing around with full face masks on, hoods up which makes it totally impossible to identify them. Even in the high street ! They all seem to wear the same black jackets, hoodies, face masks and the police appear to tolerate it.
They hang around in gangs of 2-6 .
Why the fuck aren’t they working?
Then there’s the accent. The most „put on“ bullshit ignorant sound a human being could utter and this is their speech pattern? They should be locked up just for talking like that
I assume there is a commonality here. They are, without a doubt, immensely thick and uneducated. They do not attempt to contribute to society but Instead actively seek ways to take from it via crime. They seem to think life holds no future for them.
If any single one of them is stopped for a stop search by the police they would likely have two things on them guaranteed :-
1) Cannabis. Which an intelligent person can use to inspire , create or simply listen to music to hear hidden depths and themes.
These thug fools who use it simply because They’re too thick to realise it’s benefits and just let themselves become dependent on it.
2)A Knife. Because they’re thick.
So yes crime is getting worse in London and there’s only one way to fix it.
Living_the_Limit on
I don’t think the UK is getting any more lawless. Problem is, there isn’t enough law enforcement to deal with it.
Drogopnom on
It’s more an issue of general lawlessness where I live because there is no police presence and parents don’t care.
Kids racing around the streets and paths on dirt bikes, and boy racers speeding all over the town with nothing done about it despite complaints from local communities.
Druggies wandering around the streets off their head on god knows what.
Police aren’t interested in reports and rarely investigate.
It’s no surprise the official stats show a reduction.
BaBeBaBeBooby on
Are the vast quantities of shoplifting even reported? I suspect a huge amount of crime the police don’t bother with aren’t reported, making the crime stats increasingly meaningless
Abject-Direction-195 on
No one reports petty crime anymore as they know the authorities will do Jack shit. This is all meaningless
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I think due to social media and more people recording, it certainly feels like it and probably isn’t even though the internet echo chambers might suggest otherwise.
> According to the crime survey, there were 9.6 million victim-based crimes (including fraud) in 2024, up from 8.4 million in 2023. But in the grand scheme of things, this might be a blip: in 1995 there were almost 20 million crimes recorded by this survey (and it did not even include fraud then). Violence, in particular, has fallen by about three quarters since the 1990s, a trend mirrored in many rich countries. All crime statistics should be taken with this in mind: Britain is a much safer country than it was 30, 20, even 10 years ago.
I feel like this is the part worth emphasising.
Measuring trends in crime is difficult – you have differences in reporting rates, changes in policy, laws and recording etc., but the crime survey is generally the most reliable and consistent set of data. It’s also worth keeping out for „blips“, where we need long-term trends to see what is actually going on. Unfortunately it takes a while for that data to filter through.
Its reports recorded by police.
Are shops calling? I know people who have been asked if they want a crime report number for insurance, when they say no they end the call, is that recorded?
I can see others have mentioned the reporting rate and it was also my thoughts on this too. With the reports they’re less police available to attend and that being a mildly known fact, maybe that would see less crimes being officially reported? As a result, this could affect the stats right?
When my local Tesco locks up cheese and has a security door manned by a guard, I will say yes. It is more lawless. DESPITE what they data shows.
It’s what it feels like as a normal person day in day out
The percentage of crimes that result in prosecution is far more important than the absolute number of crimes committed when assessing whether a society is becoming lawless.
Anecdotally, large amounts of crime are unreported. Why bother when the police are unresponsive and uninterested.
Most crimes aren’t reported…
Im sorry but phone theft for example wasn’t on the scale it is now. People weren’t going around on e-bikes stealing 20-30 phones a day
The country has more people, the idea that with even more people the crime rate has dropped in half is laughable.
Aggregating crime data is also pointless, you can hide horrific increases in violent crime.. in with crimes that are now hard to commit, but less shocking.
(Look at arrest rates for R**e, its only increased since 2016. After steady oscillating numbers for years.)
This thread reads like a bunch of people who are determined to be miserable, no matter what evidence is presented to them. What a fucking bunch of twats.
Before everyone start blaming immigrants, the performance of police is pathetic, own it. From car theft to robbery their default response is they don’t care. We may have to outsource policing along with IT. Current lot is only good for eating Greggs in their car
This article is all over the place. So, the headline mentions „the UK“, the article then switches to talking about „Britain“ but then cites a crime survey that only covers *England & Wales*
The more unsafer the streets get the more the government tells people that the uk has never been safer. Animal farm in full effect
Look I think societally we just know crime survey data is in opposition to reality. It has stopped being a useful metric for a very long time now.
I know they were caricatures but the pictures of 18th Century rowdy raucous mobs in London is how it feels today. It’s like we’re going back to the old days but _way_ back.
Examining the data is not going to help anything. I absolutely cannot fathom how so many people are addicted to the idea that the data matters.
Overall crime is down from the 2000s and 2010s but specific crimes like knife crime are up, shoplifting is at its highest point ever and phone theft is obviously high.
When you have an underfunded police force who are constantly let down by the “justice” system almost every time they actually catch a criminal by giving them a suspended sentence because the jails are full, the obvious solution is to build more prisons and make sure police are funded properly.
People are so terrified of authoritarianism that they have neutered all authorities to point of uselessness. The police in particular have been crippled because they can’t enforce the law against particular demographics and can’t apprehended suspects unless the suspect let’s them because any use of force will be treated as police brutality.
Greater Manchester police haven’t been able to publish crime stats since 2019!
Simple answer. Yes
I see yobs bombing around on noisy motorbikes, electric bikes, stand up scooters etc with no regards for the safety of others.
These losers are prancing around with full face masks on, hoods up which makes it totally impossible to identify them. Even in the high street ! They all seem to wear the same black jackets, hoodies, face masks and the police appear to tolerate it.
They hang around in gangs of 2-6 .
Why the fuck aren’t they working?
Then there’s the accent. The most „put on“ bullshit ignorant sound a human being could utter and this is their speech pattern? They should be locked up just for talking like that
I assume there is a commonality here. They are, without a doubt, immensely thick and uneducated. They do not attempt to contribute to society but Instead actively seek ways to take from it via crime. They seem to think life holds no future for them.
If any single one of them is stopped for a stop search by the police they would likely have two things on them guaranteed :-
1) Cannabis. Which an intelligent person can use to inspire , create or simply listen to music to hear hidden depths and themes.
These thug fools who use it simply because They’re too thick to realise it’s benefits and just let themselves become dependent on it.
2)A Knife. Because they’re thick.
So yes crime is getting worse in London and there’s only one way to fix it.
I don’t think the UK is getting any more lawless. Problem is, there isn’t enough law enforcement to deal with it.
It’s more an issue of general lawlessness where I live because there is no police presence and parents don’t care.
Kids racing around the streets and paths on dirt bikes, and boy racers speeding all over the town with nothing done about it despite complaints from local communities.
Druggies wandering around the streets off their head on god knows what.
Police aren’t interested in reports and rarely investigate.
It’s no surprise the official stats show a reduction.
Are the vast quantities of shoplifting even reported? I suspect a huge amount of crime the police don’t bother with aren’t reported, making the crime stats increasingly meaningless
No one reports petty crime anymore as they know the authorities will do Jack shit. This is all meaningless