Desperately needed, as well as provisions for rain water storage for loos and hose pipes, and heat pumps. Yes this could be considered running before walking, but we’ve been snoozing in on this matter for far too long that the time to sprint was yesterday.
It’s bad enough that new builds feel eerily temporary and characterless, at least give them provisions to make them fairly self-efficient, future-proof and self-sustaining.
wkavinsky on
While good, in theory, it would be **much** better to legislate that all new *commercial* buildings be covered in panels, as that’s far, far more area for power generation, and a lot easier than a house with a sloping roof.
They should probably also legislate for existing commercial properties to get the same.
Deadliftdeadlife on
Adds to the cost of the house in an already unaffordable market.
That being said, it’s easier to put them in during the build then it is later.
Alive-Turnip-3145 on
House orientation and roof layout is really important.
A South facing pitched roof without any features is optimal for generating electricity (maximum sunshine hours and number of panels). The majority of the windows should also be south facing to maximise heat gain from the sun.
I purchased my house taking all this into consideration and now have a negative energy cost each month with 21 panel system and heat pump.
EddLabour is taking an overly simplistic approach to all of this – he needs to get into the details of site layouts. 4 panels squeezed on a North facing roof is a waste of time & money.
LookOverall on
AFAIKS it would be really easy to put the heat exchanger for a GSHP in before you build the house.
adm010 on
We always talk about solar, but how about big rainwater harvesting tanks to use to flush loo and water gardens etc? Save so much water, reduce bills, reduce storm run off etc. win win, but just never gets mentioned but probably of greater value
Red302 on
Whilst I agree with this, I would say he should be putting his money where his mouth is and start with government owned buildings
Dependent-Library602 on
There is a lag time of about two decades between things that could/should have happened ages ago and what is happening now (or at least ‚announced‘, which means it could be anything from one year to infinity years before anything happens). It was particularly frustrating when the [Tories scrapped the target](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/10/uk-scraps-zero-carbon-home-target) to make all new homes carbon neutral by 2016, which would have included high building standards (including insulation) as well as technologies like solar.
So yes, good announcement from Ed. Just bonkers that this hasn’t been thing for a long time. Add in commercial properties as well – retrofit existing ones. Zero reasons why car parks and other such areas shouldn’t be covered in solar, as they’re doing in France.
This, along with the recent announcement of investment into transport projects, does fill me with some hope. I think there’s a huge amount still to do, and things could always go further, but stuff seems to be happening. We need to radically rethink how we design urban areas and improve housing. I went to Oslo earlier this year and I was just amazed at how quiet the city is – the public transport is so good there that there’s barely any traffic. When I last visited Paris, it was conspicuous how much the cycling infrastructure has improved there – so good. We should be looking at all the best examples from around the world and thinking how we can make our towns and cities the best they can be, improving the quality of life for everyone as well as being more sustainable environmentally .
Mavericks7 on
As someone who bought a new build last year, my house came with 3 solar panels.
(No idea how they work) But I let them do their thing.
Surprised I wasn’t given an electric charger. As I read that’s meant to be mandated.
initiali5ed on
Great! Next make sure a minimum of 5kWp a 10kWh battery and a 8kW DNO export limit is included. Deny planning permission for extending gas pipelines to new build sites. Include V2G capable EV chargers and heat pumps. Build all new houses to Passive House standards.
ash_ninetyone on
Amazed it took this long to even become policy.
There’s a new housing estate nearby that is in the last phase of construction. It only started five years ago after the brownfield land was in limbo for the previous twenty.
Not a single solar panel on them.
Same with warehouses and the vast roofs they have too
cthulhu-wallis on
Finally !!
It will destroy the electricity industry
Local power generation and storage is the only way to drop prices and ensure supply.
Hairy-Blood2112 on
I’m absolutely astonished that this isn’t already the case, and as someone else has said, rainwater harvesting.
But then we have just the had 14 years of Tory shithousery. Not that it was anything to do them.
JayR_97 on
IMO solar panels should be fitted onto every available rooftop. This is a good step in that direction
aleopardstail on
the best time to add them is during construction as all the required access scaffold etc is already there
add solar, a level of battery storage to go with it and a consumer unit & meter able to handle the switch over
at the same time add the EV charger, or a suitable socket for one if the property has off road parking
and as others have noted, add rainwater collection storage as well
then make sure the property has the required insulation to use a heat pump even if one isn’t fitted, and also has the space for the water tank etc again even if not actually fitted
also in that picture, god he looks terrible
Possible-Pin-8280 on
I’d rather they be made liveable.
Increase the size of each room by 20%, give people a garden, and let them fucking *breathe*.
EdmundTheInsulter on
The problem is we’re already failing to build what we need
FaceMace87 on
It genuinely amazes me how far behind the UK is in so many areas. Large alerts of Scandinavia have been doing things like this for years, car parking underneath blocks of flats, electric car ports, heat pumps etc are just the norm. Here they are seen as some kind of technological breakthrough.
I also don’t understand the British people, no matter what advances are proposed there is always a large swathe of people that have a problem with it. I am sure some want the country to stay in the past.
initiali5ed on
The price panels are now we should be building all new roofs with them.
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Desperately needed, as well as provisions for rain water storage for loos and hose pipes, and heat pumps. Yes this could be considered running before walking, but we’ve been snoozing in on this matter for far too long that the time to sprint was yesterday.
It’s bad enough that new builds feel eerily temporary and characterless, at least give them provisions to make them fairly self-efficient, future-proof and self-sustaining.
While good, in theory, it would be **much** better to legislate that all new *commercial* buildings be covered in panels, as that’s far, far more area for power generation, and a lot easier than a house with a sloping roof.
They should probably also legislate for existing commercial properties to get the same.
Adds to the cost of the house in an already unaffordable market.
That being said, it’s easier to put them in during the build then it is later.
House orientation and roof layout is really important.
A South facing pitched roof without any features is optimal for generating electricity (maximum sunshine hours and number of panels). The majority of the windows should also be south facing to maximise heat gain from the sun.
I purchased my house taking all this into consideration and now have a negative energy cost each month with 21 panel system and heat pump.
EddLabour is taking an overly simplistic approach to all of this – he needs to get into the details of site layouts. 4 panels squeezed on a North facing roof is a waste of time & money.
AFAIKS it would be really easy to put the heat exchanger for a GSHP in before you build the house.
We always talk about solar, but how about big rainwater harvesting tanks to use to flush loo and water gardens etc? Save so much water, reduce bills, reduce storm run off etc. win win, but just never gets mentioned but probably of greater value
Whilst I agree with this, I would say he should be putting his money where his mouth is and start with government owned buildings
There is a lag time of about two decades between things that could/should have happened ages ago and what is happening now (or at least ‚announced‘, which means it could be anything from one year to infinity years before anything happens). It was particularly frustrating when the [Tories scrapped the target](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/10/uk-scraps-zero-carbon-home-target) to make all new homes carbon neutral by 2016, which would have included high building standards (including insulation) as well as technologies like solar.
So yes, good announcement from Ed. Just bonkers that this hasn’t been thing for a long time. Add in commercial properties as well – retrofit existing ones. Zero reasons why car parks and other such areas shouldn’t be covered in solar, as they’re doing in France.
This, along with the recent announcement of investment into transport projects, does fill me with some hope. I think there’s a huge amount still to do, and things could always go further, but stuff seems to be happening. We need to radically rethink how we design urban areas and improve housing. I went to Oslo earlier this year and I was just amazed at how quiet the city is – the public transport is so good there that there’s barely any traffic. When I last visited Paris, it was conspicuous how much the cycling infrastructure has improved there – so good. We should be looking at all the best examples from around the world and thinking how we can make our towns and cities the best they can be, improving the quality of life for everyone as well as being more sustainable environmentally .
As someone who bought a new build last year, my house came with 3 solar panels.
(No idea how they work) But I let them do their thing.
Surprised I wasn’t given an electric charger. As I read that’s meant to be mandated.
Great! Next make sure a minimum of 5kWp a 10kWh battery and a 8kW DNO export limit is included. Deny planning permission for extending gas pipelines to new build sites. Include V2G capable EV chargers and heat pumps. Build all new houses to Passive House standards.
Amazed it took this long to even become policy.
There’s a new housing estate nearby that is in the last phase of construction. It only started five years ago after the brownfield land was in limbo for the previous twenty.
Not a single solar panel on them.
Same with warehouses and the vast roofs they have too
Finally !!
It will destroy the electricity industry
Local power generation and storage is the only way to drop prices and ensure supply.
I’m absolutely astonished that this isn’t already the case, and as someone else has said, rainwater harvesting.
But then we have just the had 14 years of Tory shithousery. Not that it was anything to do them.
IMO solar panels should be fitted onto every available rooftop. This is a good step in that direction
the best time to add them is during construction as all the required access scaffold etc is already there
add solar, a level of battery storage to go with it and a consumer unit & meter able to handle the switch over
at the same time add the EV charger, or a suitable socket for one if the property has off road parking
and as others have noted, add rainwater collection storage as well
then make sure the property has the required insulation to use a heat pump even if one isn’t fitted, and also has the space for the water tank etc again even if not actually fitted
also in that picture, god he looks terrible
I’d rather they be made liveable.
Increase the size of each room by 20%, give people a garden, and let them fucking *breathe*.
The problem is we’re already failing to build what we need
It genuinely amazes me how far behind the UK is in so many areas. Large alerts of Scandinavia have been doing things like this for years, car parking underneath blocks of flats, electric car ports, heat pumps etc are just the norm. Here they are seen as some kind of technological breakthrough.
I also don’t understand the British people, no matter what advances are proposed there is always a large swathe of people that have a problem with it. I am sure some want the country to stay in the past.
The price panels are now we should be building all new roofs with them.