Two misogynists cannot agree on how best to be misogynistic!
running_on_fumes25 on
Zia Yusuf quickly realising that he is nothing more than a useful idiot and that Reform MPs if given half a chance would do everything they can to disadvantage Muslims.
ThatchersDirtyTaint on
Maybe when Rupert Lowe suggested they get together, flesh out their policies together and agree their path it wasn’t such a bad suggestion.
HotelPuzzleheaded654 on
Yusuf is correct, it’s equally as dumb as being the Chair of Reform with a name like Zia Yusuf.
_HGCenty on
The French burqa ban hasn’t ushered in some glorious reconquista and cleansing of France of Islam like the Reform voters want.
All it’s done is further annoy and radicalise the Muslim community, dividing the nation and increased the proportion of Muslim men out in public because those women who would have been covered up stay indoors instead of choosing to unveil.
I’m sure all the people who want this ban because they don’t like seeing covered women on their high streets will be less than delighted when all those people are replaced by Muslim men going out instead.
I can’t remember the last time i saw a woman in a burqa and I live in a very diverse area.
I don’t understand the argument that its for safety reasons?
oryx_za on
This is major! 20% of reform MPS have split from the main party line.
Guess she won’t be allowed to carpool with them next time.
Shot-Personality9489 on
Ban all face coverings. Said it in another thread, but i’d gladly see the removal of „roadmen“ in balaclavas. No one needs to hide their face in public spaces.
Sensitive_Echo5058 on
Wearing a burqa is perhaps one of the clearest signs that someone has failed to integrate into British society.
The burqa is an oppressive garment that represents Islamic patriarchal control within a sociocultural system that hypersexualises women. By implying that their bodies are inherently provocative and must be hidden from public view, the garment’s full-body coverage is dehumanising because it erases individual identity and expression.
For these reasons, I see the burqa as representing shackles and chains, limiting the victims‘ ability to engage freely in social, professional, and civic activities. I also suspect it is harder to detect signs of emotional and physical abuse in wearers.
It can also be viewed as a form of ‚walking‘ religiopolitical advertising, and I think we should be hypervigilant to the dangers of such belief systems gaining prominence in British society.
Though I think in practice it would be hard to ban the burqa, I understand the rationale for the discussion.
Hyperbolicalpaca on
Is this going to be the second time that reform cannot go over 4 seats without a civil war?
Imagine if they actually got in, it’d be fucking chaos
YesAmAThrowaway on
Even bringing it up in the first place has me question what they’re trying to keep out of the headlines by pulling this stunt. Any prolific Reform politician recently charged with being a kiddy diddler or domestic abuser again?
Deadliftdeadlife on
Crazy how many people want to impose a ban on what people wear in public.
What happened to my body my choice? What happened to freedom of expression?
appletinicyclone on
I hate these threads because I already know what the reformistas are going to say
The UK imo has the best balance in the world when it comes to respecting personal freedoms and societal values.
I have seen with my own two eyes pride month going on along side Muslim preachers doing the whole learn about our religion thing just down the street when it’s going on.
With no one slagging each other off, with no one inhibited from their authentic self expression.
I’m not saying that problems don’t happen but that reform types think community cohesion is impossible, when what they are doing is actively pushing to make it be impossible.
Most reformistas would not understand what British values are because some of those values they don’t want to actually follow themselves
The far right play book is to be reactionary
Push minorities/scapegoats into a increasingly smaller square in the hopes the minority overreacts and then use that to justify more push. You already see reform types do this with respect to the trans community
Back to head coverings. It is actually possible to be completely against the Iran morality police (forcing of women to put a hijab on) and against the forcing of Muslim women to undress themselves for the same reason. Personal autonomy. Reasonable adjustments can be made for specific situations where ID is required just like how they do at an airport.
This topic is one of those encroachment things which is just done to bait a counter reaction and use that to justify more impositions and reductions.
It feels like reform and the whole online social media narrative is to put sections of the community as a „enemy within“ to justify authoritarianism through the backdoor.
Metal-Lifer on
this is all they have, just diversionary bullshit, no real politics
wogahumphdamuff on
He didnt label the stance dumb tbf he said it was dumb to ask a question about banning it when your party had no clear policy on it, which regardless of politics we can all agree it is dumb.
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Two misogynists cannot agree on how best to be misogynistic!
Zia Yusuf quickly realising that he is nothing more than a useful idiot and that Reform MPs if given half a chance would do everything they can to disadvantage Muslims.
Maybe when Rupert Lowe suggested they get together, flesh out their policies together and agree their path it wasn’t such a bad suggestion.
Yusuf is correct, it’s equally as dumb as being the Chair of Reform with a name like Zia Yusuf.
The French burqa ban hasn’t ushered in some glorious reconquista and cleansing of France of Islam like the Reform voters want.
All it’s done is further annoy and radicalise the Muslim community, dividing the nation and increased the proportion of Muslim men out in public because those women who would have been covered up stay indoors instead of choosing to unveil.
I’m sure all the people who want this ban because they don’t like seeing covered women on their high streets will be less than delighted when all those people are replaced by Muslim men going out instead.
[Farage](https://adfinternational.org/en-gb/news/us-congressional-committee-criticises-uk-censorship) champions ‚freedom of religion‘ when its Catholics and Evangelicals wanting to pray, sing hymns and block pavements outside abortion clinics
But Muslims are not allowed to wear burqas?
I can’t remember the last time i saw a woman in a burqa and I live in a very diverse area.
I don’t understand the argument that its for safety reasons?
This is major! 20% of reform MPS have split from the main party line.
Guess she won’t be allowed to carpool with them next time.
Ban all face coverings. Said it in another thread, but i’d gladly see the removal of „roadmen“ in balaclavas. No one needs to hide their face in public spaces.
Wearing a burqa is perhaps one of the clearest signs that someone has failed to integrate into British society.
The burqa is an oppressive garment that represents Islamic patriarchal control within a sociocultural system that hypersexualises women. By implying that their bodies are inherently provocative and must be hidden from public view, the garment’s full-body coverage is dehumanising because it erases individual identity and expression.
For these reasons, I see the burqa as representing shackles and chains, limiting the victims‘ ability to engage freely in social, professional, and civic activities. I also suspect it is harder to detect signs of emotional and physical abuse in wearers.
It can also be viewed as a form of ‚walking‘ religiopolitical advertising, and I think we should be hypervigilant to the dangers of such belief systems gaining prominence in British society.
Though I think in practice it would be hard to ban the burqa, I understand the rationale for the discussion.
Is this going to be the second time that reform cannot go over 4 seats without a civil war?
Imagine if they actually got in, it’d be fucking chaos
Even bringing it up in the first place has me question what they’re trying to keep out of the headlines by pulling this stunt. Any prolific Reform politician recently charged with being a kiddy diddler or domestic abuser again?
Crazy how many people want to impose a ban on what people wear in public.
What happened to my body my choice? What happened to freedom of expression?
I hate these threads because I already know what the reformistas are going to say
The UK imo has the best balance in the world when it comes to respecting personal freedoms and societal values.
I have seen with my own two eyes pride month going on along side Muslim preachers doing the whole learn about our religion thing just down the street when it’s going on.
With no one slagging each other off, with no one inhibited from their authentic self expression.
I’m not saying that problems don’t happen but that reform types think community cohesion is impossible, when what they are doing is actively pushing to make it be impossible.
Most reformistas would not understand what British values are because some of those values they don’t want to actually follow themselves
The far right play book is to be reactionary
Push minorities/scapegoats into a increasingly smaller square in the hopes the minority overreacts and then use that to justify more push. You already see reform types do this with respect to the trans community
Back to head coverings. It is actually possible to be completely against the Iran morality police (forcing of women to put a hijab on) and against the forcing of Muslim women to undress themselves for the same reason. Personal autonomy. Reasonable adjustments can be made for specific situations where ID is required just like how they do at an airport.
This topic is one of those encroachment things which is just done to bait a counter reaction and use that to justify more impositions and reductions.
It feels like reform and the whole online social media narrative is to put sections of the community as a „enemy within“ to justify authoritarianism through the backdoor.
this is all they have, just diversionary bullshit, no real politics
He didnt label the stance dumb tbf he said it was dumb to ask a question about banning it when your party had no clear policy on it, which regardless of politics we can all agree it is dumb.