NDP gegen Thronrede stimmen und die Liberalen dazu zwingt, anderswo Unterstützung zu finden
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-not-supporting-throne-speech-1.7552190
NDP gegen Thronrede stimmen und die Liberalen dazu zwingt, anderswo Unterstützung zu finden
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-not-supporting-throne-speech-1.7552190
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If the NDP force us into another election they will get banished to the shadow-realm for good. What are they thinking?
I guess we now wait to see what the merciful hands of Pollievre and the Bloc Quebecois do.
>“It’s a clear message that this throne speech is not a worker-centred throne speech and it does not deliver the priorities that we heard from millions of Canadians across this country,“ Davies said.
Imagine how much more power they would have if they had got even just 5 more MPs. They would be in an enviable position right now. I am still surprised so many NDP supporters went Liberal at the election. Imagine what they could demand from Carney for support right now.
Perhaps the Liberals will be able to make some kind of deal with BQ.
If the Throne Speech fails right after an election, convention says that Poilievre be given the chance to form government. Then *he* needs to try to pass one before we can get another vote.
Think of that shit show for a second.
My guess is that May votes for, NDP/PC/Bloc all vote against and a few opposition MPs skip the vote so it can pass.
Did the NDP see that +2 poll where their support went up to 5% and think that they want an election to win…2 more seats?
All these people acting as if they are OWED NDP support.
No no no, you have to **earn** the confidence of the house. It’s not a given.
Rookie mistake.
What are they voting against really? The main concern is that they want to spend 480 billion dollars without providing a budget.
The NDP are playing with fire here. They are in absolutely no position to bluff anyone. The Bloc will support the throne speech and this will all be but a distant memory in a few chaotic months but the fact they were sticking their necks out this early isn’t so much stupid as it is reckless.
If this government falls, the following will happen in the subsequent election:
1) The NDP will be completely wiped off the electoral map. 0 seats should be the least of their worries, I don’t think they’d break 5% of the vote given they barely did this time.
2) The LPC will be gifted a majority. Anyone watching QP can see Carney is learning fast and will no doubt have a better campaign. Especially since all he has to do is say the only reason we’re in this position (again) is because none of the opposition wanted to play ball – game over.
3) Where in the world would Poilievre even run? If he lost Carleton 3 months ago he certainly isn’t winning it now.
Regardless, this is absurd. The fact one of the primary reasons that Don Davies cites for voting against this speech is because the word „healthcare“ didn’t show up shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the level of governments by the NDP. Either that or they think their base doesn’t understand it.
I was vocal that the NDP should have received Party status. I’m glad they didn’t now, these are not the actions of a serious party who wants to work and make meaningful change for Canadians (which they did in the last sessions).
The NDP is a „Nearly Dead Party“.
It is now grasping at straws instead of rebuilding itself by first finding a leader. A party without a good leader will not last long.
Doe they know if this forces another election it will most likely obliterate the NDP seats that are left in Parliament?
If this forced another election, the NDP really shot themselves in the foot lmao. I’d bet money Davies would lose his seat and they’d be forced to find a new interim leader.
Shame on you NDP. Jagneet gave up everything so Pierre wouldn’t get into power and this is the first test and you fail miserably. Never voting NDP again.
Contrary to others in here, I personally think this is the right move for the NDP. Ignoring whether or not they actually agree with the throne speech, the reason the NDP is in the mess they are now is because they made themselves linked to an unpopular incumbent. Differentiating themselves right off the bat is what they should be doing politically, especially from a more conservative Liberal party.
I’m intrigued to see what happens here tbh. CPC is obviously going to vote against because they exist just to vote against Liberal things, and the Bloc can hardly vote for a throne speech delivered by an English monarch. I don’t think the government falls this early, but it does seem distinctly more likely than it previously did.
This is amateur hour. I say this as an NDP supporter.
No party is in the mood for an election.
The NDP would get blamed for sending us into another election and voters would punish it.
Time to play the MP counting game again.
Make sure there aren’t enough opposition MPs in the house to defeat the government if they all vote against a matter of confidence.
Why would the NDP do this?
Liberals should just make whatever throne speech concessions opposition parties want at this point. Just get a damn budget done.
The NDP is just being full liberal party agent at this point. Another election right away will undoubtedly give the liberals a majority. I think they know this. They can’t be that dumb
NDP just spent years voting to support the government and we’re only punished for it. This is the appropriate move, to finally act like an opposition party.
I think that Carney’s government will fall soon if that’s the stance that the NDP is going to take and weaken our country in the process.
I strongly suspect this is because there are members of the NDP caucus right now who are refusing to vote for the speech because they think doing so will benefit their leadership runs, and Davies has made this call strategically to avoid any further messy public visuals of party fracture.
He’s assuming, almost certainly correctly, that other parties will vote to preserve this parliament.
Kinda 2 situations here as I can see it – either the NDP knows that the Liberals already have support from another party and want to establish some distance between them and the Liberals at essentially no cost (fairly reasonable), or they’re monumentally stupid, playing games, and in their old pattern of making threats everyone knows they don’t want to follow through on.
I sincerely hope it’s the former.
NDP thinking they’re still relevant.. that’s cute, have another election and watch them lose the last of their seats.
Interesting – I wonder if they’re trying to see if they can get a deal to obtain party status or get something out of the liberals. If so, I hope Carney doesn’t play into it.
If anything it appears the liberals have the most to win in an election and they’re portraying themselves publicly as governing the country (which they are). So I’m thinking it would look bad on the other parties if they bring the liberals down so soon after the election.
Will be interesting to see what the BQ do
I’ll call it now. The Bloq will come out with a politically unpopular demand, carney will refuse, we’ll be back at the polls in 4 weeks, and it’ll be a liberal majority.
I know that their is practically no chance that Carney loses this vote, but just think for a second he does. Can you imagine how unbelievably pissed off the electorate is going to be, heading to the polls only months after they elected a government to defend Canadian sovereignty? Canada’s has never had two elections in the same year. And that’s before we consider the fact that this election would taking place during Carney’s honeymoon period.
I think every opposition party would get blown out in that scenario, and we would be here again, this time under a liberal majority
Dear NDP, are you trying to be relevant after historic losses? Tough guys, we will bring down the Govt. But it just might mean you will lose all your seats and see a conservative govt banning books, approving private care and making Alberta king of.the castle
Ya… Force another election. See how many seats you get then. Conservatives and NDP will definitely lose seats because the last thing we want right now is to waste money and time in another election cycle. It’s bad enough Pollievre isn’t going gently into that good night. He got a clear message but can’t read a room for shit.
Coming from somebody who voted NDP in the last election, this is exactly what I voted for. Ignoring the fact that a chance of the government falling is very low, the NDP are already in the basement. If they can do this, the CPC and BQ prop up the government and things continue on as normal, this is the first step in actually differentiating themselves from the LPC. On the other hand, without official party status, is there really a meaningful difference if they lose a few more seats?
Smart move! The opportunist BLOC is now at cross roads lol despite criticizing monarchy and speech by the Royal. 😈
Next it’s time for bloc to get decimated if they keep propping up this government.
NDP has learnt the hard way!