If his bill passes… US democracy is actually lost, because elections can be cancelled a lot more easily and unilaterally, by the president.
StrangerFew2424 on
If the current budget bill passes, it would be the final nail in the coffin. Trump & Republicans will be able to ignore the courts & nothing will restrain them.. Democracy would be done.
Contact your Senators & make sure they vote against this bill…
Do_not_use_after on
That ship has sailed. Try to keep up.
MrPantsyFlants on
A week into Trump’s third term it will finally hit home for some.
YesterShill on
When the executive is able to financial penalize, detain or incarcerate political foes without due process.
rat_face_pokemon on
We have.
NW-M-1945 on
Already gone
creature_feature247 on
Oh I don’t know, say November, 2024?
johnboy43214321 on
Using their own proposed metric, we have to conclude we *have already lost* our democracy.
From the article:
“ How, then, can we tell whether America has crossed the line into authoritarianism? We propose a simple metric: the cost of opposing the government.
Under authoritarianism … opposition comes with a price. Citizens and organizations that run afoul of the government become targets of a range of punitive measures: Politicians may be investigated and prosecuted on baseless or petty charges, media outlets may be hit with frivolous defamation suits or adverse regulatory rulings, businesses may face tax audits or be denied critical contracts or licenses, universities and other civic institutions may lose essential funding or tax-exempt status, and journalists, activists and other critics may be harassed, threatened or physically attacked by government supporters.“
Responsible-Room-645 on
If it’s May 25th, 2025, you’ve already lost it.
oldsurly on
My guy….it’s lost already
Greedy_Switch_6991 on
That’s the neat part – you don’t.
Until it’s too late, of course.
def_indiff on
We knew – or should have known – on November 5, 2024.
Typh00n74 on
Quick Answer…. If you’re having to ask the question, you’ve already lost it.
surrender0monkey on
Citizens united. That was it.
Intro-Nimbus on
You have lost it. But there may still be viable ways to regain it.
basketballsteven on
Our democracy was lost when we lost our ability to rely on a peaceful transfer of power.
ReeferG on
It’s already done. Checks and balances. The other two branches, legislative and judicial have no power to check the executive branch.
Igmuhota on
I’d argue we’ve *been* losing it, incrementally, for about 50 years.
Reagan’s many well-documented deleterious actions, the hanging chads, citizens united… lots of contributing data points long before Krasnov was “elected” twice.
Gemstyle96 on
For the majority of people, it will be when it personally affects them
oakpitt on
When the government defunds public TV and NPR. Oh, wait…
When the government deports people without due process. Oh, wait.
When the dictator attacks enemies by extorting private schools and companies because of criticism. Oh, wait..
When the dictator attacks the free press and makes the press bow down. Oh, wait…
When the dictator and his supporters are enthused about a 3rd term. Oh, wait..
When the dictator changes the names of established physical features and excludes the press from government briefings because they don’t agree to it. Oh, wait..
When the government fires hundreds of thousands of probationary federal workers with no concern for talent or national needs (even though some have to be rehired to be fired later) to skip worker rights. Oh, wait.
When the government stops its agency for disaster relief to states with a governor of the wrong party (see NC.) Oh, wait…
When the dictator’s party passes a bill to end healthcare for millions, removes funding for food assistance for millions of people and many other „features“ to give tax breaks to multi-millionaires and billionaires and raises the tax rate for those making 15K or less. Oh wait…
When the dictator alienates our allies and supports our enemies. Oh, wait..
When the dictator pardons hundreds of insurrectionists for an attempted coup of his own government at his encouragement. Oh, wait..
When … well, I’m tired.
It is now. The US wanted it (don’t give percentages, they don’t matter) and now we’ve got it.
Salty-Image-2176 on
It’s already over.
Welcome to authoritarianism.
billwrtr on
When the Supreme Court unambiguously says “you can’t do that” and he does it, it’s over. We’re perilously close but not quite there yet.
Kaninchenkraut on
So we already lost it.
The question is can they make it legal, before the next election.
Cause they aren’t exactly winning the legal fights, but aren’t facing any consequences….
But they need the veneer of legality to get rid of elections.
TelescopiumHerscheli on
Too late, you’re toast. Best the rest of us outside the US can do is try to withdraw from the decaying tissue, and pray that the infection doesn’t spread.
Every American reading this must understand: No-one is coming to help you. You’re too big to be invaded or motivated externally. You have to do this yourselves. Every one of you. You have to (and I say this with a full awareness of the irony) Take Back Your Government.
Good luck!
Possible-Customer827 on
When we allow a convicted sexual offender, convicted felon (34), convicted bank tax and charity fraud, and attempted insurrectionist to sit in the Whitehouse.
bashonemdy on
It’s already lost
DontTazeMeBro5000 on
I think we can all agree that our checks and balances are under attack. For democracy itself, the presidential election results are still very much in doubt and highly suspicious. Republicans are kicking dissidents and democrats out of their town halls. When our right to free speech and voice in our government is taken away from us, democracy has been lost.
johnnywheels on
When will we realize we have lost our democracy?
aboveonlysky9 on
[Civil war breaks out; millions die]
NYTimes headline: “U.S. Unity May Be in Question”
Dumbfucks
PretendLengthiness80 on
We lost democracy with Citizens United. It’s just taken time for it to go into effect
honcho713 on
Representative US democracy ended with Citizens United.
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It will be too late.
If his bill passes… US democracy is actually lost, because elections can be cancelled a lot more easily and unilaterally, by the president.
If the current budget bill passes, it would be the final nail in the coffin. Trump & Republicans will be able to ignore the courts & nothing will restrain them.. Democracy would be done.
Contact your Senators & make sure they vote against this bill…
That ship has sailed. Try to keep up.
A week into Trump’s third term it will finally hit home for some.
When the executive is able to financial penalize, detain or incarcerate political foes without due process.
We have.
Already gone
Oh I don’t know, say November, 2024?
Using their own proposed metric, we have to conclude we *have already lost* our democracy.
From the article:
“ How, then, can we tell whether America has crossed the line into authoritarianism? We propose a simple metric: the cost of opposing the government.
Under authoritarianism … opposition comes with a price. Citizens and organizations that run afoul of the government become targets of a range of punitive measures: Politicians may be investigated and prosecuted on baseless or petty charges, media outlets may be hit with frivolous defamation suits or adverse regulatory rulings, businesses may face tax audits or be denied critical contracts or licenses, universities and other civic institutions may lose essential funding or tax-exempt status, and journalists, activists and other critics may be harassed, threatened or physically attacked by government supporters.“
If it’s May 25th, 2025, you’ve already lost it.
My guy….it’s lost already
That’s the neat part – you don’t.
Until it’s too late, of course.
We knew – or should have known – on November 5, 2024.
Quick Answer…. If you’re having to ask the question, you’ve already lost it.
Citizens united. That was it.
You have lost it. But there may still be viable ways to regain it.
Our democracy was lost when we lost our ability to rely on a peaceful transfer of power.
It’s already done. Checks and balances. The other two branches, legislative and judicial have no power to check the executive branch.
I’d argue we’ve *been* losing it, incrementally, for about 50 years.
Reagan’s many well-documented deleterious actions, the hanging chads, citizens united… lots of contributing data points long before Krasnov was “elected” twice.
For the majority of people, it will be when it personally affects them
When the government defunds public TV and NPR. Oh, wait…
When the government deports people without due process. Oh, wait.
When the dictator attacks enemies by extorting private schools and companies because of criticism. Oh, wait..
When the dictator attacks the free press and makes the press bow down. Oh, wait…
When the dictator and his supporters are enthused about a 3rd term. Oh, wait..
When the dictator changes the names of established physical features and excludes the press from government briefings because they don’t agree to it. Oh, wait..
When the government fires hundreds of thousands of probationary federal workers with no concern for talent or national needs (even though some have to be rehired to be fired later) to skip worker rights. Oh, wait.
When the government stops its agency for disaster relief to states with a governor of the wrong party (see NC.) Oh, wait…
When the dictator’s party passes a bill to end healthcare for millions, removes funding for food assistance for millions of people and many other „features“ to give tax breaks to multi-millionaires and billionaires and raises the tax rate for those making 15K or less. Oh wait…
When the dictator alienates our allies and supports our enemies. Oh, wait..
When the dictator pardons hundreds of insurrectionists for an attempted coup of his own government at his encouragement. Oh, wait..
When … well, I’m tired.
It is now. The US wanted it (don’t give percentages, they don’t matter) and now we’ve got it.
It’s already over.
Welcome to authoritarianism.
When the Supreme Court unambiguously says “you can’t do that” and he does it, it’s over. We’re perilously close but not quite there yet.
So we already lost it.
The question is can they make it legal, before the next election.
Cause they aren’t exactly winning the legal fights, but aren’t facing any consequences….
But they need the veneer of legality to get rid of elections.
Too late, you’re toast. Best the rest of us outside the US can do is try to withdraw from the decaying tissue, and pray that the infection doesn’t spread.
Every American reading this must understand: No-one is coming to help you. You’re too big to be invaded or motivated externally. You have to do this yourselves. Every one of you. You have to (and I say this with a full awareness of the irony) Take Back Your Government.
Good luck!
When we allow a convicted sexual offender, convicted felon (34), convicted bank tax and charity fraud, and attempted insurrectionist to sit in the Whitehouse.
It’s already lost
I think we can all agree that our checks and balances are under attack. For democracy itself, the presidential election results are still very much in doubt and highly suspicious. Republicans are kicking dissidents and democrats out of their town halls. When our right to free speech and voice in our government is taken away from us, democracy has been lost.
When will we realize we have lost our democracy?
[Civil war breaks out; millions die]
NYTimes headline: “U.S. Unity May Be in Question”
Dumbfucks
We lost democracy with Citizens United. It’s just taken time for it to go into effect
Representative US democracy ended with Citizens United.