I thought this was the likelier outcome. Does anyone else remember all the talk of the Reform act being adopted after Trudeau failed to get the majority in 2021, only for the caucus to unanimously reject it. I was surprised that multiple MPs were (openly and through the media) stating their wish for the Reform act this time, but it still makes sense it didn’t pass. Supporters of the status quo tend to be quieter than those who want change.
I do think it would be good for the LPC to eventually adopt the Reform Act. Anything that increases accountability and weakens the intense party discipline in our system is good. But they probably didn’t want a vote to adopt the Act to dominate the headlines for days on end, which would weaken Carney’s political position and lead to speculation about caucus discontent. I think it would be a good idea to adopt the act the next time the Libs lose so this isn’t a concern, and then they can systematically keep readopting it, like the Conservatives do.
UnluckyRandomGuy on
This is just a horrible look for the liberals, you had the perfect opportunity to adopt these policies and pin it on Trudeau and they fumbled it. Carney will likely be much better than Trudeau but you don’t know that for certain, if he’s as disliked in 2-3 years from now they’re right back in the same position they were with Justin before he stepped down
ArcticWolfQueen on
I’m actually in favour of the caucus adopting rules to not eject the leader. I said the same even during the 2024 JT fiasco. The leadership race is one of the few times voters can potentially elect a Prime Minister directly, but even as a party leader in the opposition it is clear the rank and file party members elected someone of their own choosing in a democratic fashion.
Can the new leader such? Sure. Can the new leader rub the caucus the wrong way? Sure. But that is why they can call for a leadership challenge and have a due process of an election. Mulcair lost a confidence vote within his own party and while he could run again he chose not to. But the NDP did it the right way. The way how the Conservatives ousted O’Toole was disgraceful imo, I see that 2025 proved to highlight their own hubris and karma hit them hard.
While I can understand opposing viewpoints, I actually support this. I feel the reform needs to come from within and having it be easier to challenge a leader democratically as opposed to unilaterally is key. If a leader needs to be gone let the people of the party have a say, not just have a bunch of MPs push forth a leader who the base may potentially not even like.
Progressive_Worlds on
I think this makes Carney look like a weaker PM because it implies that he’s afraid of his caucus when polls ultimately change. It reveals a gap in confidence in his abilities to lead and to manage caucus.
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I thought this was the likelier outcome. Does anyone else remember all the talk of the Reform act being adopted after Trudeau failed to get the majority in 2021, only for the caucus to unanimously reject it. I was surprised that multiple MPs were (openly and through the media) stating their wish for the Reform act this time, but it still makes sense it didn’t pass. Supporters of the status quo tend to be quieter than those who want change.
I do think it would be good for the LPC to eventually adopt the Reform Act. Anything that increases accountability and weakens the intense party discipline in our system is good. But they probably didn’t want a vote to adopt the Act to dominate the headlines for days on end, which would weaken Carney’s political position and lead to speculation about caucus discontent. I think it would be a good idea to adopt the act the next time the Libs lose so this isn’t a concern, and then they can systematically keep readopting it, like the Conservatives do.
This is just a horrible look for the liberals, you had the perfect opportunity to adopt these policies and pin it on Trudeau and they fumbled it. Carney will likely be much better than Trudeau but you don’t know that for certain, if he’s as disliked in 2-3 years from now they’re right back in the same position they were with Justin before he stepped down
I’m actually in favour of the caucus adopting rules to not eject the leader. I said the same even during the 2024 JT fiasco. The leadership race is one of the few times voters can potentially elect a Prime Minister directly, but even as a party leader in the opposition it is clear the rank and file party members elected someone of their own choosing in a democratic fashion.
Can the new leader such? Sure. Can the new leader rub the caucus the wrong way? Sure. But that is why they can call for a leadership challenge and have a due process of an election. Mulcair lost a confidence vote within his own party and while he could run again he chose not to. But the NDP did it the right way. The way how the Conservatives ousted O’Toole was disgraceful imo, I see that 2025 proved to highlight their own hubris and karma hit them hard.
While I can understand opposing viewpoints, I actually support this. I feel the reform needs to come from within and having it be easier to challenge a leader democratically as opposed to unilaterally is key. If a leader needs to be gone let the people of the party have a say, not just have a bunch of MPs push forth a leader who the base may potentially not even like.
I think this makes Carney look like a weaker PM because it implies that he’s afraid of his caucus when polls ultimately change. It reveals a gap in confidence in his abilities to lead and to manage caucus.