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26 Comments
I love how the youth are becoming more religious, just the vision I had for 2020 and beyond <3
Suella Braverman was the first chair of governors of the school, no surprise there then.
Fucking ridiculous. Religion has zero place in schools.
Complete shame and the excuse the school uses about undermining inclusion is nonsense. If kids don’t want to be friends because of prayer rituals than you having bigger issues. This shows about how you let bigots in power it permeates throughout the institution
Good. I’m a Catholic, but if I sent my kids to this school, I know the rules ahead of time. The other families of which there are other faiths involved managed to accept it just fine. Muslims are no different but they want some special treatment which defeats the purpose of the way this school is run in the first place.
>Mr Justice Linden rejected the student’s claim in a judgment delivered on Tuesday morning.
>The case will be seen as upholding the right of non-religious schools to make their own decision about whether to set aside time and space for pupils to pray.
My instinct is schools should have a multi-faith prayer room for students to use if they wish to do so during break times.
As long as the ban is being enforced equally against all religions then you can’t really say its discrimination, because you’re free to move to a different school which allows you to pray.
How in the world did this nonsense make it all the way to the High Court?!
>The case will be seen as upholding the right of non-religious schools to make their own decision about whether to set aside time and space for pupils to pray.
The observable Universe is 93 billion light years across. If you believe something created that and all that lies beyond, then I think they will not mind if you stay and in class and learn rather than make a big performance of needing to pray.
Its not like there was a point between when we were the ape like Lucy/ Australopithecus Afarenensis and modern humans when the custodian of the 93 billion light year wide Universe suddenly needed us to pray otherwise they would feel bad. They will get over it.
(edited the obvious inference being that we are not dealing with science deniers here who think the world is a couple of thousand years old)
So Muslims get banned from praying, but primary schools can still hold assemblies where children sing religious songs, get visited by a local vicar and pray?
So this is part of a much wider story of British Islam (following a pattern across the world) rapidly becoming more and more conservative and fundamentalist, and which has been affecting schools across the UK. For example: I attended a multi-racial secondary school in London (I’m now in my 30s), at the time there were **lots** of Muslim students, but virtually none of the Muslim girls wore the hijab (this was in the early 2000s).
Now, just over a decade since I left the demographics of that same school hasn’t changed at all, but the number of Muslim girls wearing the hijab has shot up massively (the same story can be seen in my primary school, with girls as young as 4-5 turning up wearing it). This particular trend is captured in this worrying BBC documentary: [BBC Radio 4 – Too Young to Veil?](https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09zxlsc)
But there’s more to it than conservative dress codes becoming the norm. A friend from the secondary school has much younger siblings who’ve recently attended it, they report sectarianism in the classrooms and playgrounds, driven by a small number of male fundamentalist students who intimidate other students and sometimes teachers.
And you just have a slow breakdown of what used to be normal in schools e.g. my mum had children quit her primary school choir because their parents said that music is haram (forbidden). You have instances of parents pulling their daughters out of swimming classes and school trips… Or just things like school proms not being attended by half the school year because there will be dancing and music.
And then in extreme examples you have teachers who have had death threats for committing blasphemy, and are now in hiding.
Secular school. Muslims don’t get to say what happens regarding their religion in a secular school. Isn’t it enough the rule of law has gone out the window?
A bit more detail in The Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/16/michaela-community-school-prayer-ban-high-court-ruling-live/
Finally, some common sense, religion has no place in schools anyway.
I assumed there was some school “challenge” – how long can YOU go without praying?
But regardless, although I don’t think that specifically religious schools should exist, I do feel that schools should respect students’ faith.
Also, Birbalsingh is a fucking psychopath.
>In an 83-page judgment dismissing the student’s case, Mr Justice Linden said: “The claimant at the very least impliedly accepted, when she enrolled at the school, that she would be subject to restrictions on her ability to manifest her religion.
>”She knew that the school is secular and her own evidence is that her mother wished her to go there because it was known to be strict.
>”She herself says that, long before the prayer ritual policy was introduced, she and her friends believed that prayer was not permitted at school and she therefore made up for missed prayers when she got home.”
so basically outraged they got what they paid for lol personally, if it can be accommodated, i don’t see the issue but schools still have a primary duty to educate as well. go to a CoE school or whatever if you like prayers.
When I was at school, we had a small empty room to pray in at lunch time or during the summer pray on an empty field somewhere. Never was an issue for anyone.
> “A school should be free to do what is right for the pupils it serves,” she said.
A school should do what is right for the pupil
> “Schools should not be forced by one child and her mother to change its approach simply because they have decided they don’t like something at the school.”
Except that.
Bit of doublethink there. It is a secular school yes, which to me means it shouldn’t be dictated to what can’t be taught (which is good. Teach science, teach evolution, teach the big bang theory, etc). It means that religious dogma of any kind isn’t forced into its teaching, and doesn’t dictate lesson plans, etc. No one is required to convert.
But individual prayer should still be allowed maybe? They’re not enforcing prayer on people, they’re not coverting it to a Muslim school. They’re not enforcing religion. They’re just asking for a personal space to pray in private, which sounds reasonable enough to me.
This is in the same way that sikhs keep to the 5 Ks, and. No one demands a Sikh removes their turban and cuts their hair short.
I say this as an atheist btw. I feel I’m in a minority with this view point.
Exmuslims in uk need to be more vocal and challenge the Conservative Muslims. Demanding special treatment for prayers and diet etc etc cannot be normalised.
>In an 83-page judgment dismissing the student’s case, Mr Justice Linden said: “The claimant at the very least impliedly accepted, when she enrolled at the school, that she would be subject to restrictions on her ability to manifest her religion.
>”She knew that the school is secular and her own evidence is that her mother wished her to go there because it was known to be strict.
Wanted to go to the school because it was good but didn’t want to follow the rules which keep the school good.
Seems to be a recurring theme for some Muslims.
They leave shit countries to come here only to want to change our rules into repeating what made other countries shit.
You’d think they would see this.
“The school argued its prayer policy was justified after it faced death and bomb threats”
The classics.
I wonder if British politics in the future will have atheism/Every other religion vs Islam.
Considering Urban cities are becoming heavily Islamic.
Good.
Not religious though this school is an Orwellian hellscape through and through. The principal is absolutely bonkers.
If you think this is the worst thing to happen at the school, you should see the other utterly ridiculous rules they have elsewhere.
Michaela isn’t a school, it’s a Victorian era Exam workhouse.
For a while I didn’t really see what was wrong with school children praying during the lunch break, but the news story suggests there was more to it than that, possibly parents getting involved in an unfriendly manner causing the ban.
This is a really interesting issue. Looked at another way from the binary secular/non-debate, you could argue that the judge has ruled that schools decide whether or not a child can exercise their freedom of religious expression. It’s not the first time this has come up, and gone to on to the ECtHR.
Part of me wonders whether they’re doing it to wind up Birbalsingh.
No child should be brought up religious. How many people are brainwashed at birth and indoctrinated to spread it to generation after generation. Religion should be a choice. Not forced upon children. Praying at school is absolutely ridiculous.