I wonder which politician made this point to Carney that he should comment on or if it was Carney that just said it himself of the cuff. This is the second statement that he made in haste that he likely has to walk back. The earlier being the strikes on Iran
etoyoc_yrgnuh on
Completely insane. Let’s signal some more. This country sucks.
thats_handy on
At a guess, I’d say Chris Selley doesn’t speak a lick of French. I also guess that he’d be butthurt if the CEO had spoken only in French.
hardy_83 on
Isn’t one of the families of one of the pilots French? Why wouldn’t you expect a basic show of empathy being an apology or message in their language, especially when the CEO can speak it.
scyule on
First time ever… I agree with Chris Selly….. I feel weird
>Two people are dead. Others are still hospitalized. A flight attendant was reportedly ejected more than 100 metres from the Air Canada jet on impact with the fire truck that had tragically been cleared to cross the runway, still strapped to her seat, and miraculously survived. It was clearly not the pilots’ or the airline’s fault. Why are we talking about Air Canada’s C-suite at all?
fuji_ju on
If you’re not Francophone or at the very least, from an allophone background, you lack the context to understand why the CEO sucks and why no, it is not insane.
Anglo-normativity and cultural imperialism will get you to write such a piece as this one instead.
Nic12312 on
The pandering to the Quebecois is insane. Liberals only care about the French and First Nations. The rest of the country is not given a second thought.
PostMatureBaby on
Anything to distract from our airlines ripping us off I guess
wildfirestopper on
For context Air Canada is headquartered in Montreal… A lot of the company is French and the guy who died is French.
I think he should have known better even from a company culture perspective to say it twice, once in each language.
sideshow999 on
One of the pilots was from Quebec. Ignorant and myopic take.
Due-Log-9837 on
But he’s lived in Quebec for almost 2 decades. He would have been a sign of respect to put more effort into learning French all this time. Even if he hadn’t, it wouldn’t have taken long for a speechwriter to translate what he was going to say into French and he could have just read that out loud.
Computer-Blue on
If Quebec could try not openly discriminating against English speakers in their restaurants and retail businesses maybe I’d give a shit
bickspickle on
I personally want him to fart an apology on a tin pan in morse code live on CBC but only so long as he eats Clark maple syrup flavoured baked beans.
MysteryofLePrince on
I think it is odd that in an officially bilingual country, all the media on television in both languages is not instantly translatable to the other language. Maybe they are waiting for computers to get better. Yes, that must be it.
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Any-Tangerine-4176 on
Not at all. The same guy promised to take French classes 4 years ago and now only manages to say two words. Thank goodness he is only a CEO in the private sector with $12M bonuses.
Barb-u on
Oh, look, Selley has an opinion.
Oh well.
circusofvaluesgames on
So don’t focus on it. The only reason anyone knows this story is because people like Selley are whining about it. Completely nothing event none of us should care about.
MusclyArmPaperboy on
This is one of those tragedies where we can’t blame the air traffic controller or the airport so we’re making a mountain out of this molehill. Sure his apology should have been bilingual, but it’s not what we should be focusing on.
finally31 on
Everyone here is getting distracted by the politics/optics of the French vs English debate, where the headquarters are and who the pilots were.
The answer is pretty simple. When Air Canada was privatized via the air canada public participation act, one of the stipulations (among many) was that it was subject the official languages act. That combined with the high profile nature of this is why this is happening.
madhi19 on
Yes indeed, I rather focus on the fact that the lazy idiot made a fucking video instead of meeting with the grieving families in person… That’s disaster PR 101. Don’t kid yourself he did not give a shit in both official languages.
Fancy_Pay_6327 on
Liberals …. With all that’s going on in Canada at crisis levels … single out someone for language issues … shows who really runs Canada .. Quebec … always has
Woody1097 on
English is the predominant language in Canada, and it’s the language of international aviation.
BigFattyOne on
“Je suis désolé pour la famille des victimes et nous allons faire tout notre possible pour les soutenirs dans cette épreuve difficile… bla bla”
Took me less than one minute to type this. Now reading it is the hard part. But you know what? Back when I wasn’t confident enough, every time I’d have to address people in english in a professionnal fashion I’d rehearse unt I felt good.
I’d look up each word, learn how to say each and single one of them. Im the end people would thank me for my effort, I got better and I’m proud I did it. I cared and I wanted to improve.
The guy could probably learn how to say what I typed at the start of my comment in an afternoon.
travisjudegrant on
The victims were French. There are language requirements because Quebec is a real place with real rights enshrined in law. It’s honestly not hard to translate and overdub french.
Unlikely-Waltz-550 on
That’s like , your opinion man …
Hobojoe- on
CEO’s statement is in English, francophones get mad.
CEO’s statement is in English and French, francophones will say he butchered the French.
CEO’s statement is in English and good French, francophones will say his French is France French and not Quebec French.
There will be something to complain about. It’s a Canadian identity, our heritage moment.
recoveringlawstudent on
The crazy thing is Carney commenting on it at all. I work in government, and let me tell you, there are about a million things on any given day that we need his office to deal with, and none of them are criticizing the use of English in a condolences video.
Lemon_Zzst on
I respectfully disagree! Honouring the language of the deceased pilot’s family and community is not a big ask. Yes, there are other bigger issues at play here but it was still a huge gaffe.
YourOverlords on
Chris, sit down. Read the situation before gibbering such things.
The focus is that the announcement should have been made in the language of the family that is grieving. Period.
aldur1 on
>When Rousseau’s linguistic shortcomings first became the subject of outrage years ago, he should have said something like, “I’m an airline CEO, this is ridiculous and pointless, piss off.”
The columnist does a real disservice to his readers when he neglects a bit of history.
The privatization of Air Canada was governed by the Air Canada Public Participation Act in 1988. It stipulates AC must be headquartered in Montreal. Furthermore it subjects AC to the Official Languages Act.
MinuteCampaign7843 on
Either French or English is ok in my mind. Making a mountain out of a mole hill.
meatpiesurprise on
This is the goofiest thing to focus on.
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I wonder which politician made this point to Carney that he should comment on or if it was Carney that just said it himself of the cuff. This is the second statement that he made in haste that he likely has to walk back. The earlier being the strikes on Iran
Completely insane. Let’s signal some more. This country sucks.
At a guess, I’d say Chris Selley doesn’t speak a lick of French. I also guess that he’d be butthurt if the CEO had spoken only in French.
Isn’t one of the families of one of the pilots French? Why wouldn’t you expect a basic show of empathy being an apology or message in their language, especially when the CEO can speak it.
First time ever… I agree with Chris Selly….. I feel weird
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>Two people are dead. Others are still hospitalized. A flight attendant was reportedly ejected more than 100 metres from the Air Canada jet on impact with the fire truck that had tragically been cleared to cross the runway, still strapped to her seat, and miraculously survived. It was clearly not the pilots’ or the airline’s fault. Why are we talking about Air Canada’s C-suite at all?
If you’re not Francophone or at the very least, from an allophone background, you lack the context to understand why the CEO sucks and why no, it is not insane.
Anglo-normativity and cultural imperialism will get you to write such a piece as this one instead.
The pandering to the Quebecois is insane. Liberals only care about the French and First Nations. The rest of the country is not given a second thought.
Anything to distract from our airlines ripping us off I guess
For context Air Canada is headquartered in Montreal… A lot of the company is French and the guy who died is French.
I think he should have known better even from a company culture perspective to say it twice, once in each language.
One of the pilots was from Quebec. Ignorant and myopic take.
But he’s lived in Quebec for almost 2 decades. He would have been a sign of respect to put more effort into learning French all this time. Even if he hadn’t, it wouldn’t have taken long for a speechwriter to translate what he was going to say into French and he could have just read that out loud.
If Quebec could try not openly discriminating against English speakers in their restaurants and retail businesses maybe I’d give a shit
I personally want him to fart an apology on a tin pan in morse code live on CBC but only so long as he eats Clark maple syrup flavoured baked beans.
I think it is odd that in an officially bilingual country, all the media on television in both languages is not instantly translatable to the other language. Maybe they are waiting for computers to get better. Yes, that must be it.
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Not at all. The same guy promised to take French classes 4 years ago and now only manages to say two words. Thank goodness he is only a CEO in the private sector with $12M bonuses.
Oh, look, Selley has an opinion.
Oh well.
So don’t focus on it. The only reason anyone knows this story is because people like Selley are whining about it. Completely nothing event none of us should care about.
This is one of those tragedies where we can’t blame the air traffic controller or the airport so we’re making a mountain out of this molehill. Sure his apology should have been bilingual, but it’s not what we should be focusing on.
Everyone here is getting distracted by the politics/optics of the French vs English debate, where the headquarters are and who the pilots were.
The answer is pretty simple. When Air Canada was privatized via the air canada public participation act, one of the stipulations (among many) was that it was subject the official languages act. That combined with the high profile nature of this is why this is happening.
Yes indeed, I rather focus on the fact that the lazy idiot made a fucking video instead of meeting with the grieving families in person… That’s disaster PR 101. Don’t kid yourself he did not give a shit in both official languages.
Liberals …. With all that’s going on in Canada at crisis levels … single out someone for language issues … shows who really runs Canada .. Quebec … always has
English is the predominant language in Canada, and it’s the language of international aviation.
“Je suis désolé pour la famille des victimes et nous allons faire tout notre possible pour les soutenirs dans cette épreuve difficile… bla bla”
Took me less than one minute to type this. Now reading it is the hard part. But you know what? Back when I wasn’t confident enough, every time I’d have to address people in english in a professionnal fashion I’d rehearse unt I felt good.
I’d look up each word, learn how to say each and single one of them. Im the end people would thank me for my effort, I got better and I’m proud I did it. I cared and I wanted to improve.
The guy could probably learn how to say what I typed at the start of my comment in an afternoon.
The victims were French. There are language requirements because Quebec is a real place with real rights enshrined in law. It’s honestly not hard to translate and overdub french.
That’s like , your opinion man …
CEO’s statement is in English, francophones get mad.
CEO’s statement is in English and French, francophones will say he butchered the French.
CEO’s statement is in English and good French, francophones will say his French is France French and not Quebec French.
There will be something to complain about. It’s a Canadian identity, our heritage moment.
The crazy thing is Carney commenting on it at all. I work in government, and let me tell you, there are about a million things on any given day that we need his office to deal with, and none of them are criticizing the use of English in a condolences video.
I respectfully disagree! Honouring the language of the deceased pilot’s family and community is not a big ask. Yes, there are other bigger issues at play here but it was still a huge gaffe.
Chris, sit down. Read the situation before gibbering such things.
The focus is that the announcement should have been made in the language of the family that is grieving. Period.
>When Rousseau’s linguistic shortcomings first became the subject of outrage years ago, he should have said something like, “I’m an airline CEO, this is ridiculous and pointless, piss off.”
The columnist does a real disservice to his readers when he neglects a bit of history.
The privatization of Air Canada was governed by the Air Canada Public Participation Act in 1988. It stipulates AC must be headquartered in Montreal. Furthermore it subjects AC to the Official Languages Act.
Either French or English is ok in my mind. Making a mountain out of a mole hill.
This is the goofiest thing to focus on.