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31 Kommentare
More people looking for work than there are vacancies to fill. It’s fuckin hard out there.
>You have to work 10 times harder to work for a role that 10 years ago you could have got very easily straight out of university,“ says 22-year-old business management graduate Charlotte Briggs.
How would she know how hard you would have had to have worked to get a role when she was 12
>Within two months she had applied for 500 roles
This suggests little care in how she actually applied: Low effort GPT generated appplication which can be spotted a mile off. As far as an employer is concerned, if you aren’t making the effort to spend an hour or so writing the application, you’re not making enough effort to get the job. Similar to the age old “have you got any questions about us” question at the interview stage: the interviewer doesn’t care about the question you’re going to ask, it’s just about finding out whether you’re interested enough in the job to have done the bare minimum research into the company.
Also, it’s much easier to get a job by going through a recruitment agency and building a relationship with them than spamming LinkedIn positions. The agency will sell you
That’s 8 applications a day. Try quality over quantity. Also sending a generic CV through an automated service does not count as an application. A decent specified job application should take at least a couple of hours.
I had to apply for jobs for a year after graduating to get one in my field, its crazy.
In that time though I worked in hospitality which definitely helped start my career as skills are more transferable than you think.
I get that the job market is tough, but the number of jobs she has applied for is kind of an irrelevant figure.
I can use AI to send 1,000 applications off this week to jobs I am not qualified for, or with a really poor application and guess what? I *probably* won’t get a job.
It takes me a few hours to apply for a job properly (tailoring my CV a bit, cover letter, etc). If we cap that at, say, 2 hours – let’s say I can apply for 3 jobs per day with a quality application including some buffer to find said jobs. 5 days a week – that’s 15 applications per week (full time on the job hunt). That means I can apply for circa 120 jobs with somewhat quality applications in two months.
The fact that she has applied for four times that tells me all I need to know about that figure.
Mind you, to be clear – I’m not saying that gets me a job, or even an interview. There is always a bit of luck involved, even for jobs you are an ideal fit for.
Jobs and Housing have a few key issues that align in a frustrating way.
1. It would be better if there were more of them overall.
2. Sometimes we have a localised surplus of availability – but in the wrong location.
3. Relocating is expensive and risky.
4. Making a change can be slooooow.
To help smooth out the jobs and housing markets, while addressing and waiting for the larger structural changes to occur, the government should be doing everything they can to adress the inefficiencies in the system. Encourage more WFH and hybrid jobs, invest in transport links, find a way to transition out of Stamp Duty, and try and reform/regulate conveyancing and interview processes to try and speed things up. Movers shouldn’t have to wait 6+ months to make a house purchase, and interview candidates shouldn’t be strung on for weeks and months doing 3-6 stages of individual interviews with different people when technology makes it so easy to put together a virtual panel. The more dynamic the system, the more that changing jobs and moving home can be seen as an opportunity rather than a risk.
assuming she is at it 5 days a week, 20 days per month. Over 500 applications over 2 months she is just scatter gunning 13 applications per day no wonder she is being rejected.
She needs to slow down. Choose the best jobs. The CV should be tailored to each job posting use the same key words as used in the advert. I would be doing 1 or possibly 2 applications per day.
Lot of it down to the economic chaos caused by Brexit and now Trump
Another „I applied for X amount of jobs and no luck!!“ story?
„It’s quite upsetting because I’ve worked really hard for the last three years to achieve a 2:1 just to be rejected for not having experience.“
Every single job rejected her for not having experience? 500 jobs and not one of them told her the position required experience? 500 applications in 2 months is about 8 per day.
Seems to me that Charlotte is just not very good at applying for jobs and/or has unrealistic expectations.
Also
Charlotte is now claiming universal credit, which she says is a last resort.
Despite this, she does not want to compromise her goal of working in her chosen career, saying there would be „no progression“ in other entry level jobs in retail or hospitality.
Charlotte is in for a nasty shock at the job centre.
ha! only 500, try 1000 and with 10 years exp and no luck. Yeh there’s people out there like that. And before i get ridiculed. My point is, looking for work is fucked for a lot of people.
I’m running an ad for an entry level job. It’s incredulous how many are applying on student visas.
I couldn’t find work after my undergrad, two years of searching and just one interview, though the second screwed me over with COVID starting and decimating the job market. I ended up going double or nothing and went back to get a masters. While I’m sure the postgraduate degree helped, I went from having one short internship to four, which is what I think really did the heavy lifting because I had a whole lot of experience to talk about. Got interviews for most positions I applied for in the end. When you have 100+ people applying to every job – what sets you apart? I wish I did more during my undergrad because now I have a university debt I’ll probably never pay off until retirement.
>Charlotte is now claiming universal credit, which she says is a last resort. Despite this, she does not want to compromise her goal of working in her chosen career, saying there would be „no progression“ in other entry level jobs in retail or hospitality.
I’m not sure if I’m reading this right, but is it suggesting that she isn’t applying for jobs in fields such as retail and hospitality?
I’m a scientist, but have worked in retail and call centres for short periods during breaks in my career because…I needed money to pay my rent and bills. You can gain all sorts of transferrable skills even if you’re taking a detour from your chosen path. It’s not ideal, but it’s a means to an end.
(EDIT: I should add that I appreciate retail, customer service and hospitality jobs are also super difficult to find atm! I just hope she isn’t effectively cutting off opportunities for employment by being laser focused on one thing)
I’m currently looking for a job since redundancy at the end of the year, I’m probably submitting two or three a day at best but on average less, spend more time trying to find semi decent opportunities, I’ve got 18 years of experience in HE and based on the lack of responses it counts for nothing. I’m not even looking for high paying jobs but it’s honestly hard to get a strong feel of motivation when I cannot simply get an interview.
I’m not using AI but writing out applications continually adding my job history and creating cover letters etc which honestly feels repetitive given the wide variety of such poor job portals.
Maybe I am a bit picky but I don’t want to be a cleaner or care worker on silly hours for NMW.
I just want an admin job near where I live and be productive again.
I’m confused as to why she thinks graduate jobs were freely available 10 years ago. It’s been decades since graduating meant an instant career of choice, 30 years ago we had to start at the bottom and prove ourselves. I think these kids might be over reaching with their many applications.
I’ve just been through 200 CVs for a job in a desirable industry (TV) and what stood out was –
AI – immediate reject pile
Not relevant – immediate reject pile
No experience or no attempt to gain experience (degree, work experience, training courses, short films etc.) – immediate reject pile
Poor layout, bad formatting, or bad use of colour (font sizes all over the place, text alignment inconsistent, neon green) – immediate reject pile
At the end of the day its 1 job out of 200 people – im picking candidates for interview based on quality.
In a shock to absolutely no one, the Job Market is fucked.
Employeers don’t want graduates, because they lack experience.
Employeers don’t want low-skilled workers, because there role is likely to be automated.
Employeers don’t want mid-level managers, because there job role was automated away to almost nothing years ago and most corporations are now stuffed to high-paid coffee makers.
Employeers don’t want high-skilled individuals because they cost to much.
Unless you’re experienced in your feild but willing to accept a salary which won’t cover rent, you’re gonna struggle to find work…
People don’t really tell you but you need to apply for jobs in the first term of your final year, there won’t be any good grad schemes once you’ve graduated.
Also it’s not particularly fair and companies don’t give candidates enough respect but applications need to be tailored and high quality. If you’re applying for that manh jobs in that time period without any success then some self reflection is needed not complaining about the market.
People really be expecting you to hand craft every single CV for every single job you apply for.
Don’t apply for enough? Sanctioned.
Applying for too many? „Well, you must have a shit CV so update it.“
A lot of the people demanding quality over quantity have no idea what they’re talking about.
>Charlotte is now claiming universal credit,…, she does not want to compromise her goal of working in her chosen career, saying there would be „no progression“ in hospitality jobs.
What do people think about that?
500 in two months is quite the onslaught. Do-able, I guess, but seems doubtful you’re giving those applications much care and attention.
I’m not sure she’s right that you have to work 10x harder either – I remember applying to a fuckton of roles straight out of uni and getting rejected so hard and for so long that I had to move back home in another city, 20 years ago.
I learned the hard way that a wide variety of entry-level or service jobs (the ones you’d think would be easy to land) don’t want a graduate – they think you’ll leave.
Amateur numbers. Applied for 000s over the past year. Just never hear back or get a straight rejection.
Don’t you normally go for an MBA after graduating on business management?
The sheer volume of applications is definitely a red flag about quality. It’s a brutal numbers game, but blasting out hundreds of generic CVs just adds to the noise for everyone. A focused, tailored approach is exhausting but seems like the only real strategy left. The whole system feels broken when even that doesn’t guarantee a callback.
That’s like 16 applications a day. Those were not good applications.
What actual tangible skills do you get doing a business degree?
If I think about my peers doing business at my undergrad and extrapolate to the generic middling post-92 sprawl, I’d hazard a guess that most of them can only just about manage to colour inside the lines.
Surprised nobody’s mentions the NI increase?
It’s single handedly devastated employment in my industry, as they can no longer afford to hire permanent positions. I’m stuck where I am because I’d rather have a permanent job than slight progression with the prospect of unemployment afterwards..
> „You have to work 10 times harder to work for a role that 10 years ago you could have got very easily straight out of university,“ says 22-year-old business management graduate Charlotte Briggs.
How the fuck does she know what the job market was like when she was 12? Does She really think people came out of uni and into a good job. Fuck no. People lowered their standards pretty quick and got any job they could and zero hour contracts made people grateful for the hours. I don’t think she realises how many business management graduates get spit out into the world each year and how saturated the employment market is.
I think people need to be more creative. When I think of the jobs I’ve had over the years, the people I’ve employed and the people I’ve worked with and how they got into work, it’s rarely through seeing an ad and applying.
I got my first main job through doing work experience for the company – within weeks they offered me a job and I was there for 8 years. My first employee was a friend of my neighbours who approached me and sold himself to me before I even knew I wanted to be an employer. I’ve since employed something like 20 people and never once put out an advert.
If you’re blindly applying for 500 jobs in two months and it’s not working, you need to change your approach to finding a job. Go to where you want to work and ask if you can join them for a few days unpaid „just to see what it’s like“.
I’m 31 so was looking for work 15 years ago during a recession, I think with the digital age people have become somewhat entitled.
Back then you’d apply online, I’d then get a train or bus to the company to let them know I’ve applied and if there was any chance of interviewing early as I think I’m a great fit for the job, after doing this around 5 times I found a job and if I didn’t like the job I’d do it again. Nowhere in these constant articles I hear of people doing anything close to this, instead people just copy and paste a CV and are then upset they get lost between all the applicants. It seems people want a good outcome while putting the least amount of effort in.
I swear these types of articles have been around since I left school in 2010. It’s almost as if our whole system is broken…