Viele Pendler kennen die Situation wahrscheinlich:
Menschen, die laut telefonieren, Videos ohne Kopfhörer schauen oder ganze Schulklassen im selben Waggon sitzen.
Ein Pendler hat eine Petition gestartet, die sich für leise Wagen in der zweiten Klasse in Schweizer SBB-Zügen einsetzt. Die Bahngesellschaft gibt an, dies in der Vergangenheit tatsächlich getestet zu haben, es sei jedoch schwierig gewesen, die Ruheregeln durchzusetzen.
Wir haben kürzlich einen Artikel auf Deutsch zu diesem Thema geschrieben.
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Soll es in der zweiten Klasse lautlose Wagen geben, oder gehört ein gewisser Lärmpegel einfach zum Zugfahren dazu?
https://www.beobachter.ch/gesellschaft/pendlerin-fordert-ruheabteil-in-der-zweiten-klasse-sbb-winken-ab-915026
Von beobachtermagazin
30 Kommentare
there should be just cars with people not being pricks
I understand having a phone call, and I find it totally ok. However, having it LOUD on speaker or yelling at the mic as if it would make any difference is plain stupid
using the speaker is also fine, it’s just like people talking with each other. Those who are disturbed by normal behaviour can gladly take earplugs with them and problem solved.
there is no need for the sbb to be so extra for snowflakes or pricks getting on each others tails
Any train should have silent second class. Not just Swiss trains. Any train.
To be honest SBB isn’t enforcing anything on the train besides checking for tickets. Kids run berserk, some guys partying with beers in a corner, and luggage sitting all over the place. It feels more like an excuse to promote their 1 class offer.
I have very rarely experienced a silent car where people were actually silent so I don’t think this will work and agree with the railway company. School classes had to book extra cars in the past but I think modern train compositions have made this impossible. I just do what almost everyone is doing and use my own headphones.
Yes we need silent cars
Public areas tend to be loud by default. I don’t care about people talking by phone or with each other, I am even fine with video calls, that’s just normal human interaction but I draw the line a people playing music in their loudspeaker, not everyone shares your taste in music.
Every car *except the family cars* are effectively silent cars by convention, if not by rule. People making loud phone calls in the train are, for the lack of a better word, rude and disrespectful of others.
The question is, do you want to criminalize rudeness? I am firmly against that. I’d like to prevent a resurgence of the Sittenpolizei.
I am, however, firmly in favour of passengers letting rude people know that they are currently disrespectful, and to please pipe it down a notch. If parents failed to teach their children how to behave, then society (not the law) will have to do it in their stead.
Maybe, very maybe this could make sense in a few long distance intercity trains.
For everything else, it doesn’t make any sense at all, trains stop too often, people are always getting on and off, children are traveling, etc. Also, trains (especially S-Bahn) are composed of subsets of EMUs with 4-6 cars, which are often combined and unlinked depending on the service. This makes it impossible to have one car per train to be „quiet“.
Not to mention that in such trains enforcement is impossible.
Just put on noise-cancelling headphones.
Yes, absolutely. There used to be on my route, but unfortunately people were too stupid and ignorant to follow the rules.
Not even silent first class trains are actually silent. There‘s always people shitting on the rules and/or blind to the signs.
i’d prefer it but also don’t really care because i always wear headphones when i’m on the train
There are silent rooms in second class in Swedish and Danish trains, and they work well. I don’t see why it shouldn’t work here
No, it would not be enforceable in practice. It’s often too crowded to have much of a choice. And not a large enough fraction of all commuters care enough about it to make it something that society self enforces.
In the end it would be as loud as before, just with more conflict.
yes, please…
No, it won’t work they tried that. Will only lead to more discussions and more pain for already strained SBB Personal.
Buy 1. Class if you want it, is exeptable IMO.
Poor Man’s Silent train is this:
https://www.linsoul.com/products/7hz-x-crinacle-zero-2
And Foam Tips.
Yes and high fines and public shaming for people who don’t adhere to the rule 🙂
I’ve got my own personal silent car and it even has personal departure times tailored exactly to my taste, plus it can go wherever the hell I want as long as there is a road.
So happy I didn’t fall for the train propaganda!
I’m not so sure about that. Of course, I prefer a quiet seat on the train, but trains can also be full, and I don’t want to stop anyone from talking. It would be nicer if etiquette were a little more prevalent, so that people didn’t blare their phone calls and team calls throughout the entire compartment or watch YouTube without headphones.
The whole train should be silent. I don’t mind people having conversations. But these asshats watching shitty videos with their speakers on need to be stopped.
Used to be as far as I remember. I commuted from Chur to Zurich back in 2002-2004, and would always sit in the “Ruhe Abteilung” car in 2nd class. I recall vividly one woman who was always on the same early morning train as me, and man, one peep out of anyone would get her ire in spades.
There are.
Let’s be soooo forreal here: even if silent cars in 2nd class existed, it wouldn’t be enforced. I understand that SBB staff probably deal with a lot of shit from some passengers but they aren’t very confrontational. They’d rather play a passive aggressive „please put your bags away and make space for other passengers“ over the telecom than to directly address people.
No? There are already the family wagon, so that makes everything else silent cars
The opposite, make one loud car and the rest are silent by default.
Yeah, there should be.
There are family cars, so having „special“ cars is possible. There are quiet cars in first class, so it’s possible to have them.
That said, while it’s perfectly fine to speak and school classes will always be loud, people watching videos without headphones or calling on loudspeaker are already breaking the rules. Would be nice to see them enforced sometimes.
I want cars where people chat to each other. So depressing seeing everyone isolated in their bubble on their phone. Don’t get me wrong I want that too sometimes but not always…
I would love that but I very much doubt the Swiss would get used to this enough so people actually adhered to the rule. Whenever I encounter groups of Swiss people in ICE silent cars in Germany they never seem to grasp the concept of a silent car.
It is not really loud in general. Except sometimes some teenagers but older people are mostly just watching their screens.
We have those in France, kinda works, kinda
Yes.
Meh. Swiss trains are louder than French trains (especially TGVs) but I find that’s more of a cultural thing.
There is some noise that is obviously a nuisance. People doomscrolling or playing music/videos with sound on is out of order if it’s for more than like a minute. Also of course being generally gross, disruptive, or drunk is not ok.
I don’t mind people taking/making phone calls provided they are not telling. It irritates me more to listen to teenagers talking loudly on the phone (or sending and listening to voice messages), but they should have the rights just like anybody else. I also don’t like to hear crying babies or loud kids, but that’s just part of life. The groups of 8 old hikers are often loud but no more disruptive than any public place. Groups of younger people that are rowdy tend to have more yelling/screaming and general noise than just talking loud.
Loud trains are, in my opinion, part of Swiss culture. The train is a public space like most others and swiss use the trains to commute everywhere and are used to doing so. This is different to french trains that are less commonly taken as standard transport from point A to B. I think silent cars for first class are a decent perk for those that will happily pay the premium or those travelling on business.