Studienergebnisse ergaben, dass Neandertaler-Männer und Menschen-Frauen am ehesten miteinander in Kontakt kamen. Genetiker haben ein interessantes Muster bei der Kreuzung von frühen Menschen und Neandertalern entdeckt – und es war nicht ausgewogen.
https://gizmodo.com/neanderthal-men-and-human-women-were-most-likely-to-hook-up-study-finds-2000726658
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>Around 2% of modern humans carry Neanderthal DNA, meaning we know early humans got super intimate with our now-extinct relatives. According to new research, when Neanderthals and humans did hit it off, it seems they favored a particular sex combination over another.
>In a paper published today in [Science](http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aea6774?adobe_mc=MCMID%3D18303242998905320081867085034636159314%7CMCORGID%3D242B6472541199F70A4C98A6%2540AdobeOrg%7CTS%3D1771883874), evolutionary geneticists at the University of Pennsylvania report an excess of modern human ancestry on the Neanderthals’ X chromosome compared to other parts of their genome. That excess was probably due to sex-based mating, specifically between human women and Neanderthal men, according to the new study.
>“The most likely explanation for this sex bias is mate preference,” study co-lead author Daniel Harris told Gizmodo. “[E]ither Neanderthal men preferred human women, human women preferred Neanderthal men, or a combination of both.”
I’m willing to bet that it’s not that they „hooked up,“ but probably more like forced. It’s a lot harder for a woman to force a man than a man to force a woman. Just something to think about. Maybe fix the language in the title.
Edited to add that. Neaderthal men probably did prefer human women, but I doubt human women preferred Neanderthal men.
Isn’t that still the most likely to hook up? Only half jokingly. This seems to be based on the interplay between the sexes even across species.
Unlikely human women raped Neanderthal men.
So, nothings changed then
I have to interpret the proposed explanation as being compromised by historical naivety or deliberate obfuscation.
>“The most likely explanation for this sex bias is mate preference,” study co-lead author Daniel Harris told Gizmodo. “[E]ither Neanderthal men preferred human women, human women preferred Neanderthal men, or a combination of both.”
It seems pretty obvious to me that this is the result of non-consensual sex.
The wording here gives equal weight to the idea that maybe human women were just into it, over the suggestion that this was just non-consensual sex. Which, again, is the most obvious explanation that matches historical and biological reality.
I’m curious about sexually receptivity in humans vs Neanderthals. Is it possible Neanderthal women had a “mating season” whereas it is possible for human females to be sexually receptive all year. Maybe their women weren’t “putting out”…
Clan of the cave bear told us this.
That’s an interesting way to spell rape
All the comments mention the likelyhood of rape as the explanation, That was my first thought also. But rape doesn’t explain anything about the imbalance. You would still have to explain why the Neanderthal men were raping more than the “modern” men were raping.
Considering that these were separate species with genetic differences that we can still identify tens of thousands of years after Neanderthals died out, I’m puzzled this study doesn’t appear to consider hybrid dysfunction a likely explanation.
In hybrids, an impact on fertility can sometimes be seen depending on which species each parent came from. A Neanderthal woman could be less likely to produce surviving, fertile offspring with an anatomically modern human father. Mitochondrial incompatibility or genomic imprinting could have a significant impact.
Unless I’m missing something, it looks like a leap to assume mate selection bias is the primary cause.
so the idea that homosapiens fucked neanderthals out of existence is wrong. it is neanderthals who fucked themselves out of existence.
Ya ain’t done it all, until you’ve gone Neanderthal
> Neanderthal and Human
Am I the only one bothered by this? Neanderthals belong to the genus Homo which means they ARE humans.
Of course rape is pervasive and horrible and probably part of it, but there is also plenty of evidence that human women engaged in furtive mating throughout history. Women do like sex too.
I remember when I was in undergrad and the then-current understanding was that humans and Neanderthals hadn’t interbred because of a lack of genetic evidence in mitochondrial DNA. I mentioned in discussion in my bio anthropology class that it was entirely possible that all the interbreeding was between male Neanderthals and female humans, given that all the evidence was based on mDNA. I think I remember at the time that the professor – a genetic anthropologist – agreed it was possible, but because evidence of populations interaction in humans don’t usually show sex preferences, it was unlikely. (To be clear, his response wasn’t a ’no no, you simple youngstser, you’re speaking nonsense,‘ but rather ‚oh, huh, that would be a weird deviation from what we usually see, so maybe! But probably not.‘)
I’ve been tickled to watch all the evidence come out ever since, slowly over the years, to support that position of mine from so many years ago.
Human woman: “I know my man is a little rough around the edges but I can fix him!”
Gender preference my ass. It was rape that offset this
I don’t think it’s appropriate to say „Neanderthals“ and „humans“ as separate categories.
Neanderthals were hominids. Many if not most modern humans have some amount of Neanderthal genes. Neanderthals created art. I don’t see any reasonable way to exclude them from the category of „human“ which would not also exclude some number of people living today.
I prefer human women too.
”were most likely to hook up”…great science there, bro.
Always be preferring them bad boys
Is it possible that since Neanderthals were smaller that a Neanderthal woman would have a lot more complications carrying a baby from a male homo sapien? Thus, showing a survivorship bias that human women interbred more partially because more of those interbreeding pregnancies involving homo sapien women were successful births?
More likely rape and pillage than “hook up” I feel…
Since when are neanderthalers no longer considered humans?
Rape and attractiveness of Neanderthal women aside, children of homo sapien woman hybrids would be more likely to be raised with Homo sapiens while children of Neanderthal women would be raised with Neanderthals. Humans won out for whatever reason so hybrids living and breeding with humans would be more likely to pass on their genes.
Andrew Ape was Top G, obviously they chose up
And it’s still happening to this day.
So Neandertherthals had the better D after all I guess
‘Hook up’ is an incredible euphemism.
I find this conversation interesting, with so many people projecting human behavior models onto neanderthals.
Which brings me to a question: Surely there is no other species that weaponizes rape as much as human beings do?
Nothing wrong with a bit of rough every now and again.
It’s very likely that the offspring of Neanderthal mothers and human fathers died out together with their tribe-Neanderthals…
Seriously guys, are we on science sub?!!
Once you go neanderthal…