Wenn die USA die NATO verlassen, kann sich Europa schützen – (Kommentar des ehemaligen Oberbefehlshabers der NATO, James Stavridis)

As a former supreme allied commander of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, I never contemplated the idea of the US leaving the world’s most vital security alliance. But the crisis over Greenland’s sovereignty of the last two weeks has me thinking seriously about what NATO would look like without its most important member.

NATO was formed from the ashes of World War II by a dozen nations, 10 European and two North American. Lord Ismay, the first secretary general, famously said that NATO existed to “keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.” He saw the Cold War unfolding, the threat to Western Europe posed by the Soviet Union, and the danger of an unchecked Germany. He also knew the US might repeat the mistake it made after World War I: Simply walking away from the continent after the fighting was over.

But the Greenland controversy is as tense as any previous rift in the alliance. Nearly 10 European nations sent small troop contingents to the island over the past two weeks, ostensibly to survey defenses against Russian and Chinese intrusion, but mostly to forestall US military intervention threatened by President Donald Trump. 

It is worth asking: What does NATO look like without the US?

Washington has by far the largest military budget in the alliance, clocking in around $900 billion, with Trump recently floating the idea of increasing it to $1.5 trillion. But Europe’s collective defense budget is quite large – the second in the world – at around $400 billion. For perspective, Russia checks in at around $140 billion and China about $250 billion. 

Another big loss for the alliance with a US departure would be the reduction in the defense industrial base and all its associated technological capability. Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, General Dynamics and RTX (formerly Raytheon) are huge prime contractors, and roughly half of the world’s top 25 defense firms are in the US. But Europe has a reasonably strong industrial base, with eight of the top 25 contractors, including BAE (UK), Leonardo (Italy), Airbus (France/Germany), Thales (France), Saab (Sweden) and Rheinmetall (Germany).

The US produces the highest levels of technology, including the lion’s share of stealth fifth-generation fighter planes such as the F-35; the best long-dwell drones for reconnaissance and strike; the top air-defense systems, including Patriot and THAAD; and better satellites, the key to overall intelligence. Yet Europe makes warships and diesel submarines more rapidly and with equal capabilities to many US classes. And thanks to their recent support to Ukraine, the Europeans are rapidly overtaking the US in production of tanks, howitzers and ammunition.

Europe would be able to quickly come up to speed in lower-tech systems like short-
dwell drones; small arms; helicopters and transport aircraft; and shorter-range air defenses and surface-strike missiles. 

As for troop strength, while the US is able to rely on an all-volunteer force, many European members of the alliance are comfortable with some form of conscription. Nine nations have it already, including both Nordic members, and Germany is about to reinstitute it.

There is of course the major problem of a nuclear shield. Although the UK and France have small (but well-trained) nuclear strike forces, Europe would no longer have the strategic umbrella supplied by Washington. So, the European states might be forced to build up their own capabilities, with Germany and Poland likely joining the nuclear club. 

A huge factor on Europe’s side is that a NATO without the US would not have the kind of global responsibilities — driven by American priorities — that led the alliance into wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. NATO could be far more focused on its neighborhood, particularly with protecting Ukraine — which is more likely to eventually join a post-US NATO. The alliance would still have six nations in the Arctic.

If the US moves toward a narrow focus on the Western Hemisphere — as both the new National Security Strategy and the National Defense Strategy say it should — I suspect the remaining 31 nations of NATO will ultimately be just fine. And adding Ukraine — with 40 million people, a highly experienced army and a deeply motivated populace — would bring the alliance back to 32.

I suspect the Europeans are starting to think about other options for their defense. People ask me all the time, “Who will win the war in Ukraine — the Russians or the Ukrainians?” The real winner could be the Europeans — if they band together and build a stronger pan-continental defense. Let’s hope this would be inside NATO, and alongside the US. But if necessary, I think they could go it alone.

Not only will the US not defend Europe, but it actively works to dismantle the EU in tandem with Moscow. They admit that openly in the Security Strategy. What they hide is probably worse.

Stop giving Putin his wet dream fuckers

Mandatory army in whole Europe is the way…exactly like Stavridis says.

With the way they are helping Ukraine, I doubt it. Europe has no will – just lots of lip service, sadly.
But it would be great for everyone if Europe became self sufficient.

It kind of sounds like if we were getting rid of Eric Cartman, we would have to struggle at first to win the sledding race, but would be able to compensate by building a better sled. Without having to deal with his crazy, entitled attitude all the time. Hmmm.

Yeah, let’s get rid of that rabid fatass 😂

every doomsday prophet here should read this