Ich versuche NICHT, Tragödien oder schweres Leid zu vergleichenIch frage nur: Warum denken Sie, dass Finnen oder Uni-Studenten sich mehr für das eine als für das andere mobilisieren?
In Finnland gab es große, sichtbare Kundgebungen zum Thema Palästina/Gaza. Aber wenn es Versammlungen zum Thema Iran gab (z. B. in Helsinki oder Tampere), scheinen die meisten Teilnehmer Iraner zu sein, die in Finnland leben, und relativ wenige Nicht-Iraner nehmen daran teil.
Angesichts der jüngsten Berichte, die darauf hindeuten, dass die Zahl der Todesopfer durch das Vorgehen des Iran extrem hoch sein könnte (Dreißigtausend laut Time-Magazin https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/), warum sieht die öffentliche Reaktion Ihrer Meinung nach hier so unterschiedlich aus?
Geht es um Medienberichterstattung, bestehende Aktivistennetzwerke, wahrgenommenen finnischen Einfluss, Schwierigkeiten bei der Überprüfung von Informationen aus dem Iran oder einfach nur um Krisenmüdigkeit? Oder spiegelt es eine Art selektives Mitgefühl wider?
(Bitte bleiben Sie höflich und seien wir respektvoll gegenüber allen unschuldigen Menschen, die irgendwo auf der Welt ihr Leben verloren haben, das bitte ich wirklich.)
Ich verstehe, warum die Ukraine hier ein anderes Maß an Aufmerksamkeit erhält: Sie ist geografisch nahe gelegen, historisch relevant und viele Finnen können sich vorstellen, dass Finnland ein ähnliches Schicksal erleiden wird. Ich frage also nicht nach der Ukraine.
Why is there so little public reaction in Finland to the recent killings in Iran (compared to Palestine/Gaza)?
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1. Too much is happening in the world at once. Attention is divided.
2. They havent figured how to blame americans yet.
Probably because its not popular country to talk about and do we even have our own local reporters there? People nowadays shy just reporting based on other peoples news
Media coverage, I suppose. They’ve been without internet for a couple weeks so theres limited stuff on social media, which i would argue were instrumental in building anger towards israel.
I can only talk for myself personally, but to me they are extremely different in all kinds of ways.
And in my circles there is a big reaction, it is just that there’s not that much point in public protests, because there aren’t close ties for unis or governments to break, the Iranian regime is already under all kinds of sanctions. So apart from the comparison being apples and pears to begin with, there’s isn’t much to demand from the government, or the EU, and unis don’t have to be pressured into breaking ties they don’t have in the first place.
The question really is, why is there minimal public reaction in Finland to practically all other suffering and war in the world except for the Palestinians, and of course whatever is happening in Europe itself. Iran is no different to Sudan or Yemen or Myanmar in this sense.
Civil wars generally attract much less outsider interest and emotion than conflicts between states. A case in point: three years ago Ethiopia had a disastrous civil war, where around 600,000 people perished and millions were displaced. Yet few people were even aware it happened and the media wrote little about it.
Another reason might be, that the Iranian diaspora in Finland is much smaller than in, say, Sweden or Germany.
It’s not in people’s facebook feed.
Nnobody really cares about Iran. They don’t have very much internet presense
Anglo-american media don’t have Iran as the biggest thing in the world.
I don’t think anyone here thinks western pressure does anything. I see it as Irans domestic matter and no amount of actions from European countries will have any effect on what happens there.
USA could do something, but again same issues. Actions of European people won’t make a difference there unless Trump actually asks opinions.
Thirdly, while what is happening there is shocking it isn’t really surprising. Anyone interested should have been expecting something to happen sooner or later. Anyone not interested in the first place would not care.
What is happening to Palestine is 18th century style colonisation, happening in the 21st century.
It isn’t comparable to a despotic regime clamping down on its citizens in a bloody manner like what Iran is doing.
Both are terrible but only one is being openly funded and often even celebrated by the developed world.
Iran is also heavily sanctioned and financially crippled by most of the globe.
Israel isn’t, in fact they are given free money and weapons from the world’s biggest super power and some other nations. Sadly, including mine but on a much smaller scale.
My perception is that Finland has much more to do with Israel vs Iran – a lot more products from Israeli-owned companies get sold here. The government also signed an agreement to buy Israeli weapons, and a lot of people would like to see that cancelled – so there’s more to be achieved in Finland protesting Israel
To me it seems the Finnish media is and was extremely biased.
It’s quite simple really, because one is politically weaponized, while the other is not. The people who are the most vocal politically about Gaza are closely related to the ones who supported the Iranian revolution (and China, and Cambodia etc). Ask any Iranians in Finland what they think about Israel and even Bibi, you might be quite surprised.
With Gaza, there are political tensions with some support for Israel too here. I don’t think there is much support for the Iranian government, thus there isn’t many people to protest against. But yes, selective compassion is apparent as well. I don’t think it’s even possible to invest emotionally in every tragedy around the world.
Multi-billion dollar Qatari media
Because of the small media coverage and because everyone agrees they should stop killing iranians.
With palestine it was the norm to not be on palestinian side and israel spreading propaganda to every direction. Now there is no blatant misinformation to fight against now everyone just agrees like evryone should that the killing should stop.
In protesting now, the only thing is to show solidarity. Everyone in Finland already support the protesters in Iran. The Finnish state has hardly any connections to Iran, there’s no further EU sanctions that can be placed anymore that would have an effect, and the only thing Finland could do is to close the embassy in Tehran.
Protesting for Palestine and against Israel was an urge for the Finnish government and the EU to pressure Israel, and also show that a free Palestine has support within Finland, and that those who show unwavering support towards Israel are in the minority.
The point with protests is usually to achieve some goal or policy change, and with Iran there’s just nothing that can be achieved.
The media is still claiming that the demonstations are because of food prices and inflation. That should tell you the true reasons for not covering this.
The Palestinian issue collects many people below its umbrella: for example Sunni Muslims, antisemites, communists, other leftists in general, nazis, and anti imperialists. There aren’t as many people who care about Iranians, unfortunately.
If Israel was the one killing Iranians, then people would care, look at the reactions of the Israeli bombings of Iran that happen recently. But now it’s the revolutionary guard, and a number of people who support the Palestinian cause agree to some extent with the guards‘ ideas about theocracy. Others think that any outside involvement would make the situation worse. Some westerners say that „we cannot tell locals how to handle their issues, that would be imperialism“, (interestingly enough that doesn’t apply to Israel, which they see as western and imperialist and therefore an acceptable target.)
There are also less pictures coming out of Iran than of Gaza, and while many of the killed in Gaza were small children, it seems like in Iran it’s mainly teenagers and adults, so it is a bit harder for people to feel as much empathy with them as with small children.
I think we should care as much about the Iranians as Palestinians. And about Sudanese people and anyone else suffering. I try to bring awareness to the Iranian issue myself on socials, and many of my acquaintances seem to care too.
The Palestinian issue seem to me to also be less a critic of and restistance to the Israeli government and it’s horrible policies and actions, and more about evicting Jews from the whole area and for countries to cut their ties to Israel, also ties that don’t have much or anything to do with the Israeli government itself. For example, Finland’s universities have been heavily pressured by students to quit all contact with Israeli universities, research, and scientists.
It’s a shame but I think Trump is stealing the attention with his saber rattling. It’s potentially much more impactful on the lives of Finns and is really shaking the foundations of European security.
That said, I hope the Iranian populace can overthrow their oppressive and in many ways incompetent government. Killing and permanently wounding tens of thousands of protestors by their own government should not be tolerated by anyone.
I’d say Finns are cynically interested about both Palestine and Israel as it is mostly unsolvable, but hopeful for Iran and in kind of „wait and see“ mode as it is less understood, but still bears remembrance to 70s.
the closer the crisis is, the more attention it gets. same applies all over the world.
Israel is supposed to be an ally. Iran, Sudan etc are not.
Countries like Finland can exercise action against states like Israel. Iran, Sudan etc are either already sanctioned to fuck or it’s not the government causing the issue.
Because protests aren’t just virtue signals but have actual policy goals and there is no Finnish policy that can change anything about Iran