It’s true, we depend a lot on them in this regard. But I believe we have the knowledge to build the things we need. It will take us back 10ish years, but maybe this will be a lesson to the EU policy makers not investing enough in tech/entrepreneurship for the past decade to say the least. And let’s not forget some of the US „tech“ they will block will actually be good riddance.
Looking at it from another angle, still I am a bit skeptical this would happen as we are shoveling money in their direction by using their tech. They would have a lot to lose too.
CatalyticDragon on
>The worst-case scenario for European officials? A White House executive order that cuts off the region’s access to data centers or email software that businesses and governments need to function.Â
We are already seeing EU nations and the EU parliament moving away from Microsoft office and into open source alternatives and this trend is not going to reverse.
The US may become (or is already partly) fascist. But it’s also deeply capitalist.
The US has the same problem as Europe vice versa, both are big and strong markets.
The market will explode, if the tech companies aren’t allowed to earn money in Europe.
Pedarogue on
Every time the EU just as much as threatens to open a case against one of the US tech giants, the Mango Mussolini gets another temper tantrum.
Threatening to cut off the EU, the most stable and one of the wealthiest markets in the world, from the US tech market – from the side of the US – is suicide on their economy, while European and Asian suppliers are eager to rush in and fill the void.
Personally, I can not wait for the US to flip the switch. The spark from flipping it will be the ignition to a proper, European supply chain.
Including Germany. Haha fax machine-jokes aside this can and will kickstart a new wave of developement all over the EU which, for economic purposes, is one big market.
Also, the US exceptionalist dreamers **heavily underestimate** how many alternatives already wait in the shades of the giants to finally spring up once they are gone.
nickles72 on
It is probably becoming a liability issue for every European CEO. There is going to be a CISO flagging the issue as a forseable governance problem. Then once that is in the list it is up to the CEO to either mitigate the risk, or take responsibility if something happens. I doubt it will make everyone replace office right away, but the contracts and subscriptions will not be longterm, and the question about alternatives and vendor lock in will come up. So if the US was hoping to quickly fill those data centers with European enterprise money they might not have done themselves a favor.
mythorus on
Why nightmare scenario? What would we actually lose?
NoSoundNoFury on
Microsoft could have reset every Russian computer back to Windows ME and brought half the country to a standstill. They didn’t. Unfortunately.
legitaccountnotabot on
As we should have done a long fucking time ago, the Yankees were visibility getting more insane every year, it was predictable it would come to this.
monerfinder on
What are they going to stop us from using? Chat GPT? Social media?
O god noooo, please don’t allow this to happen… /s
Pandabirdy on
I can live without all that shit. Start with the cloud services, never trusted that anyhow.
Would feel like a fresh start discovering new software and sites from the ground up.
ObjectiveMall on
China experienced its ‚orange shock‘ in 2018 and has become digitally sovereign. In other economic sectors, they have successfully established a dual circulation economy. For their remaining minor dependencies, they have the rare earth extortion tool.
I applaud them. In my opinion, this is the best realpolitik template for the EU.
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Hopefully, we will be able to do that first.
It’s true, we depend a lot on them in this regard. But I believe we have the knowledge to build the things we need. It will take us back 10ish years, but maybe this will be a lesson to the EU policy makers not investing enough in tech/entrepreneurship for the past decade to say the least. And let’s not forget some of the US „tech“ they will block will actually be good riddance.
Looking at it from another angle, still I am a bit skeptical this would happen as we are shoveling money in their direction by using their tech. They would have a lot to lose too.
>The worst-case scenario for European officials? A White House executive order that cuts off the region’s access to data centers or email software that businesses and governments need to function.Â
We are already seeing EU nations and the EU parliament moving away from Microsoft office and into open source alternatives and this trend is not going to reverse.
– [https://kramerand.co/digital-sovereignty-isnt-just-talk-anymore-why-european-governments-are-breaking-up-with-microsoft/](https://kramerand.co/digital-sovereignty-isnt-just-talk-anymore-why-european-governments-are-breaking-up-with-microsoft/)
That’s bullshit.
The US may become (or is already partly) fascist. But it’s also deeply capitalist.
The US has the same problem as Europe vice versa, both are big and strong markets.
The market will explode, if the tech companies aren’t allowed to earn money in Europe.
Every time the EU just as much as threatens to open a case against one of the US tech giants, the Mango Mussolini gets another temper tantrum.
Threatening to cut off the EU, the most stable and one of the wealthiest markets in the world, from the US tech market – from the side of the US – is suicide on their economy, while European and Asian suppliers are eager to rush in and fill the void.
Personally, I can not wait for the US to flip the switch. The spark from flipping it will be the ignition to a proper, European supply chain.
Including Germany. Haha fax machine-jokes aside this can and will kickstart a new wave of developement all over the EU which, for economic purposes, is one big market.
Also, the US exceptionalist dreamers **heavily underestimate** how many alternatives already wait in the shades of the giants to finally spring up once they are gone.
It is probably becoming a liability issue for every European CEO. There is going to be a CISO flagging the issue as a forseable governance problem. Then once that is in the list it is up to the CEO to either mitigate the risk, or take responsibility if something happens. I doubt it will make everyone replace office right away, but the contracts and subscriptions will not be longterm, and the question about alternatives and vendor lock in will come up. So if the US was hoping to quickly fill those data centers with European enterprise money they might not have done themselves a favor.
Why nightmare scenario? What would we actually lose?
Microsoft could have reset every Russian computer back to Windows ME and brought half the country to a standstill. They didn’t. Unfortunately.
As we should have done a long fucking time ago, the Yankees were visibility getting more insane every year, it was predictable it would come to this.
What are they going to stop us from using? Chat GPT? Social media?
O god noooo, please don’t allow this to happen… /s
I can live without all that shit. Start with the cloud services, never trusted that anyhow.
Would feel like a fresh start discovering new software and sites from the ground up.
China experienced its ‚orange shock‘ in 2018 and has become digitally sovereign. In other economic sectors, they have successfully established a dual circulation economy. For their remaining minor dependencies, they have the rare earth extortion tool.
I applaud them. In my opinion, this is the best realpolitik template for the EU.