That’s called consequences. Unless we want to talk about moving 6 million people to “another world”?
Last_Jellyfish_2431 on
Every time the topic of ethnic cleansing of germans in eastern Europe comes up here, the comment section is full of polish nationalists with hate comments against germans.
Captainfoxluther on
Ethnic cleansing. Its called ethnic cleansing.
Kalle_Kakan on
Wow, so Germanic people were one of the most opressed groups in Europe, being herded like cattle and driven from their homeland.
allarounder60 on
They were the lucky ones,some of my family ended up in Lechbruck. LOL
objectifstandard on
„Alsace 400,000“. That’s a new one. What kind of sick historical revisionism is this?
DecisiveVictory on
I don’t think the Baltic States numbers are accurate at all. And in any case it was the russian occupiers doing the expulsion, not the Baltic States.
So the map is questionable.
Mother-Ad85 on
That was one of the most tragic things that happens after the war.
Those who well expelled were mostly women, children and old people
toughguy375 on
Thanks to the EU, their descendants are allowed to move back if they want.
Karohalva on
That it was cruel and possibly unjust doesn’t make it at all shocking or incomprehensible to me. We’re humans. You don’t magically turn off all the burning fever of feelings after a war like that. History, therefore, even at its very best, is largely only the story of shitty damage control being done to manage the fallout of even shittier shit that went down.
ultimaterogue11 on
Oh dear, did something happen that made these countries really mad at Germans?
Edit: also any side bets that the OP is a supporter of AFD.
EastAppropriate7230 on
Downvote me if you want but seeing as how Hitler’s entire modus operandi leading up to WW2 was ‚this place in xyz country has ethnic Germans living in it so it should belong to us‘, I find it really hard not to put myself in the shoes of the decision makers here and unreservedly criticise their actions
NittanyOrange on
It’s almost like, a lot of bad stuff happened throughout history and into the 1940s, and then some people tried to create rules in an attempt to make those things happen less often…
Rift3N on
„I can excuse killing slawische Untermenschen, but I draw the line at making Germans live in Germany“
Ludisaurus on
AFAIK the Germans from Romania weren’t exactly expelled. A minority have been evacuated by the German army before the Soviets arrived. Immediately after the war many were sent to labour camps in the Soviet Union by Soviet orders. A German community still remained in Romania and later on they would be prevented from emigrating until the fall of communism.
HB2099 on
Why do all the arrows go through Eastern Germany, it’s totally counterfactual to suggest May of these people didn’t settle in Berlin or Eastern Germany.
Also the word “expulsion” is doing some heavy lifting, many of these people fled or were evacuated from the east as the Soviets gained ground.
The wikipedia page on the topic is even called “Flight and Expulsion” as not all movement was forced by outside actors.
271000 were not expelled from Yugoslavia to Germany. That was total number of pre war population. After the war, yugo authorities have taken all able bodied men and women, and send them to Russia to be slaves. The rest, old and children, they have kicked out of thier houses, and collected them in one concentration camp in Vojvodina, if you can call it like that. It was just open space, where they were kept sleeping outside with very little food. Most of them died from cold, hunger and diseases. After 6 months or so, what was left was shipped to Austria, after pressure from the west. Estimate was around 15000 that were left alive.
Gamer_Grease on
Germans living elsewhere were explicitly used as casus belli for WW2, and in general since the 1890s global politics had been swirling around various peoples being “represented” by the largest nation populated by them (see: Russia and the Slavs). Additionally, a key component of Naziism was the politicization of absolutely all aspects of a person’s life. Like, if you were part of a hobby organization, or read newspapers, you would have all your related activities and information controlled by avowed Nazis. Not all Germans were Nazis, especially in other countries, but because everything in Germany was Nazified, there was always a risk of it taking hold in any German community.
That being said, this is a horrible event and it occurred during a really brutal time in history.
Zdzisiu on
Nice
MarketingNew5370 on
I get that it is probably nuanced, but what were the general opinion of the Nazis amongst the Germans in Eastern Europe?
Inevitable-Panda-217 on
🤢🤢🤮 Disgusting propaganda, just look at Poland and „German settlement“.
Active_Ad_1223 on
Some people push back
esperantisto256 on
My family was part of this movement, although they eventually moved to America after Germany. It actually never dawned on me that the move might’ve not been completely voluntary. Like I knew about the expulsions as a historical fact but my family always phrased it as just moving. Although most of the people who lived through it as adults have passed away.
NoGravitasForSure on
Expulsion is an euphemism here. We should not forget that about 600.000 were murdered in the process. Nazis as well as totally innocent civilians including children.
obihighwanground on
BitterMango7000 on
They deserved it
JohnyIthe3rd on
Maybe just maybe hear me out, ethnic cleansing might be a bit bad
Admirable-Ad3408 on
The far right says that this was the only war crime in WWII!
lithdoc on
The type of human tragedy that no one likes to talk about.
LonelyWormster on
Considering their plans for eastern europe they’re lucky there’s still a germany at all
metalhesse on
If you start a war, and don’t win it you’ll have to live with the consequences. Yes this flight was very traumatic for these people. Some were actively expulsed, many anticipated the worst from the Soviets and their neighbors and a lot saw no future in communism. My grandparents had to do it from Czechia and in the end hated Hitler for starting the war that made them leave their home. They were basically refugees and not at all immediately welcomed with open arms in post-war Germany.
MrkEm22 on
Today it would be classed as ethnic cleansing and if we use a certain word as it’s been used today by modern left wingers in regards to Palestine, but not Iran for some reason, it could have been called a genocide.
But the fact of the matter is it was at the end of a six year long war, the most brutal in human history, no one on the allied side and certainly not the communist side was going to speak up for those German peoples who were just normal innocent everyday people like you or me and had lived in those areas for centuries, such is the brutality of war and the human condition.
it’s perhaps a small consolation that since the accession of those central and eastern European countries to the EU the survivors and their descendants can move back to the majority of those areas if they so chose and national animosity and hostility has mostly been consigned to history.
For now at least.
MSurpGaming on
I’m so glad we are all agreement that ethnic cleansing is a viable solution to punishing aggressors. Now allow me to use this line of thinking in a modern sense (I get to decided who is the aggressor is).
AssCrumbBilly on
Did 400,000 Alsatians really get expelled from France?
dudek64 on
Good riddance.
They’ve voted for an agressive revanchist id*ot who wanted to exterminate Eastern Europeans, steal their homes and lives, and they’ve got what they’ve asked for back onto them. And they’ve got LESS BRUTAL treatment than what they did to Jews, Poles or any other Eastern European nation.
I like Germans, but behind the Oder.
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That’s called consequences. Unless we want to talk about moving 6 million people to “another world”?
Every time the topic of ethnic cleansing of germans in eastern Europe comes up here, the comment section is full of polish nationalists with hate comments against germans.
Ethnic cleansing. Its called ethnic cleansing.
Wow, so Germanic people were one of the most opressed groups in Europe, being herded like cattle and driven from their homeland.
They were the lucky ones,some of my family ended up in Lechbruck. LOL
„Alsace 400,000“. That’s a new one. What kind of sick historical revisionism is this?
I don’t think the Baltic States numbers are accurate at all. And in any case it was the russian occupiers doing the expulsion, not the Baltic States.
So the map is questionable.
That was one of the most tragic things that happens after the war.
Those who well expelled were mostly women, children and old people
Thanks to the EU, their descendants are allowed to move back if they want.
That it was cruel and possibly unjust doesn’t make it at all shocking or incomprehensible to me. We’re humans. You don’t magically turn off all the burning fever of feelings after a war like that. History, therefore, even at its very best, is largely only the story of shitty damage control being done to manage the fallout of even shittier shit that went down.
Oh dear, did something happen that made these countries really mad at Germans?
Edit: also any side bets that the OP is a supporter of AFD.
Downvote me if you want but seeing as how Hitler’s entire modus operandi leading up to WW2 was ‚this place in xyz country has ethnic Germans living in it so it should belong to us‘, I find it really hard not to put myself in the shoes of the decision makers here and unreservedly criticise their actions
It’s almost like, a lot of bad stuff happened throughout history and into the 1940s, and then some people tried to create rules in an attempt to make those things happen less often…
„I can excuse killing slawische Untermenschen, but I draw the line at making Germans live in Germany“
AFAIK the Germans from Romania weren’t exactly expelled. A minority have been evacuated by the German army before the Soviets arrived. Immediately after the war many were sent to labour camps in the Soviet Union by Soviet orders. A German community still remained in Romania and later on they would be prevented from emigrating until the fall of communism.
Why do all the arrows go through Eastern Germany, it’s totally counterfactual to suggest May of these people didn’t settle in Berlin or Eastern Germany.
Also the word “expulsion” is doing some heavy lifting, many of these people fled or were evacuated from the east as the Soviets gained ground.
The wikipedia page on the topic is even called “Flight and Expulsion” as not all movement was forced by outside actors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944–1950)
271000 were not expelled from Yugoslavia to Germany. That was total number of pre war population. After the war, yugo authorities have taken all able bodied men and women, and send them to Russia to be slaves. The rest, old and children, they have kicked out of thier houses, and collected them in one concentration camp in Vojvodina, if you can call it like that. It was just open space, where they were kept sleeping outside with very little food. Most of them died from cold, hunger and diseases. After 6 months or so, what was left was shipped to Austria, after pressure from the west. Estimate was around 15000 that were left alive.
Germans living elsewhere were explicitly used as casus belli for WW2, and in general since the 1890s global politics had been swirling around various peoples being “represented” by the largest nation populated by them (see: Russia and the Slavs). Additionally, a key component of Naziism was the politicization of absolutely all aspects of a person’s life. Like, if you were part of a hobby organization, or read newspapers, you would have all your related activities and information controlled by avowed Nazis. Not all Germans were Nazis, especially in other countries, but because everything in Germany was Nazified, there was always a risk of it taking hold in any German community.
That being said, this is a horrible event and it occurred during a really brutal time in history.
Nice
I get that it is probably nuanced, but what were the general opinion of the Nazis amongst the Germans in Eastern Europe?
🤢🤢🤮 Disgusting propaganda, just look at Poland and „German settlement“.
Some people push back
My family was part of this movement, although they eventually moved to America after Germany. It actually never dawned on me that the move might’ve not been completely voluntary. Like I knew about the expulsions as a historical fact but my family always phrased it as just moving. Although most of the people who lived through it as adults have passed away.
Expulsion is an euphemism here. We should not forget that about 600.000 were murdered in the process. Nazis as well as totally innocent civilians including children.
They deserved it
Maybe just maybe hear me out, ethnic cleansing might be a bit bad
The far right says that this was the only war crime in WWII!
The type of human tragedy that no one likes to talk about.
Considering their plans for eastern europe they’re lucky there’s still a germany at all
If you start a war, and don’t win it you’ll have to live with the consequences. Yes this flight was very traumatic for these people. Some were actively expulsed, many anticipated the worst from the Soviets and their neighbors and a lot saw no future in communism. My grandparents had to do it from Czechia and in the end hated Hitler for starting the war that made them leave their home. They were basically refugees and not at all immediately welcomed with open arms in post-war Germany.
Today it would be classed as ethnic cleansing and if we use a certain word as it’s been used today by modern left wingers in regards to Palestine, but not Iran for some reason, it could have been called a genocide.
But the fact of the matter is it was at the end of a six year long war, the most brutal in human history, no one on the allied side and certainly not the communist side was going to speak up for those German peoples who were just normal innocent everyday people like you or me and had lived in those areas for centuries, such is the brutality of war and the human condition.
it’s perhaps a small consolation that since the accession of those central and eastern European countries to the EU the survivors and their descendants can move back to the majority of those areas if they so chose and national animosity and hostility has mostly been consigned to history.
For now at least.
I’m so glad we are all agreement that ethnic cleansing is a viable solution to punishing aggressors. Now allow me to use this line of thinking in a modern sense (I get to decided who is the aggressor is).
Did 400,000 Alsatians really get expelled from France?
Good riddance.
They’ve voted for an agressive revanchist id*ot who wanted to exterminate Eastern Europeans, steal their homes and lives, and they’ve got what they’ve asked for back onto them. And they’ve got LESS BRUTAL treatment than what they did to Jews, Poles or any other Eastern European nation.
I like Germans, but behind the Oder.