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    Shabana Mahmood schlägt ein KI-„Panoptikum“-System zur staatlichen Überwachung vor


    Shabana Mahmood schlägt ein KI-„Panoptikum“-System zur staatlichen Überwachung vor

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25780001.shabana-mahmood-proposes-ai-panopticon-system-state-surveillance/

    Von OGSyedIsEverywhere

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    3. AllThatIHaveDone on

      > When I was in justice, my ultimate vision for that part of the criminal justice system was to achieve, by means of AI and technology, what Jeremy Bentham tried to do with his Panopticon. **That is that the eyes of the state can be on you at all times.**

      Genuinely chilling words. I wonder if that extends to MPs as well.

    5. wkavinsky on

      Uniparties wet dream, surveillance everywhere.

      Blair wanted it, Cameron wanted it, Johnson wanted it, Starmer wants it.

      Privacy is dead, 1984 was a prediction, and it’ll all be sold to highest bidder to run.

    6. Plus-Literature-7221 on

      > police forces are looking at monitoring 1000 men they believe pose the highest risk to women to predict whether they will commit crimes.

      Will inevitably be expanded to everyone.

      With the social media ban and digital IDs, people will bw rrested for pre-crimes just because of what they post or watch online.

    7. Cynical_Classicist on

      Yeh… I’m not happy with this. Way too much Palantir shit going on now.

    8. JaMs_buzz on

      “This doesn’t mean watching people who are non-criminals – but she feels like, if you commit a crime, you sacrifice the right to the kind of liberty the rest of us enjoy.”

      But it does mean watching people who are non criminals. Also does this mean you make a stupid mistake when you’re younger, and that’s it, the state has the right to watch your every move forever?

      Honestly this issue of state surveillance should be the thing that unites the left and right because it has the potential to affect all of us

    9. Confident-Ant-3763 on

      Guys at the next election you know what to do. I don’t care if you vote reform or green it doesn’t matter you know what you need to do

    11. No-Scholar4854 on

      I will accept this idea when Mahmood agrees to:

      1. Install cameras in every room of her house, office and car
      2. Hook those cameras up to an AI
      3. Making that AI publicly accessible so we can ask whatever questions we like about her day.

      She’s got nothing to hide right? So she should be fine with the AI publishing a summary of her activities.

    12. InformationNew66 on

      This is now at the „they are not even trying to hide it anymore“ state.

      Shocking.

    13. what_a_r on

      But there will be a part of society exempt from this. They will be the ones attacking you, while you as much approach their towns dwelling and off you go to the cell, or pay a hefty contribution to their house of evil.

    14. Cyrus_W_MacDougall on

      Shabana read a couple pages of Foucault and completely misunderstood the point

    15. Cheen_Machine on

      Is there a mandate that all politicians need to be completely stupid now? I swear they used to suggest things that might improve the country, or if you weren’t in power you might suggest things that people would really like to entice them to vote for you. I’m waiting for someone to step up and be a real political party and sound reasonable enough that people will stop entertaining the idea of voting for populists or racists, but instead they’ve stopped acting out the thick of it and moved on to fucking dystopian sci-fi films.

    16. Glittering_Habit_161 on

      So the government knows who wants to act for the rest of their life?

    18. WorldGamer on

      >It is not clear whether this system of surveillance would apply only to prisoners or to all people under the watch of the criminal justice system in England and Wales.

      Seems like a key question, have any journalists asked it yet?

    19. JonnotheMackem on

      She read 1984 after Jeremy Bentham and assumed it was an instruction manual, I see.

    20. aleopardstail on

      it has become a bit of a meme that 1984 was a warning not an instruction manual

    21. explorerazure on

      And how is this AI going to do it’s job when people can still wear face coverings in public?

    22. CrazyGazpacho on

      Can we leave party politics of reddit to one side and just consider what she said there!? Thats terrifying stuff

    23. oh_no3000 on

      Hah jokes on them I take my entire years data on A4 every year and fax it to them.

      Good luck work experience Sam who is still halfway through reading my anti government threats from 1997

    24. IllustriousCow8249 on

      AHHHH I FUCKING HATE THIS BITCH FUCKING SUELLA BRAVEMAN SYNDROME IS REAL AHHHHH

    25. radikalkarrot on

      To be fair, I would be ok with this if the system would also have eyes on MPs, other members of the government and the royals at all times. If they are ok with that then sure.

    26. Actual-Photograph794 on

      When you consider that Labour are in bed with Palantir, despite them finding targets for the IDF, supporting ICE kidnappers, despite their founders being utter weirdos who believe they can become transhuman, despite the fact Peter Thiel hesitates when asked if he wants the human race to endure (yes really)…. this is beyond terrifying

    27. NsanelyCrazy on

      Labours gotta stop using George Orwell’s books as material for government policies.

    28. Difficult-Break-8282 on

      The Panopticon is a thought experiment for a PRISON not society wtf is happening. 

    29. belisarius93 on

      Little ham fisted to imply you want to turn the entire country into a prison, but I understand the incentives. If the govt supports a China style surveillance state, then I think it’s for the best that they’re honest about it so that they can lose the next election on those grounds.

    30. hime-633 on

      Couldn’t we use that money to, say, fix the socioeconomic problems that are the proximate cause of much crime?

      Instead of just spaffing it up the wall to American tech companies. ?

    31. rdu3y6 on

      I’m so tired and fed up of this constant attacking any form of digital privacy or online anonymity. There was ZERO mention of this during the election but it feels like it all the government care about now.

      Can’t fix hospitals, repair potholes, boost front line services or anything that people actually want them to do. It’s all surveillance, control and authoritarianism from Labour. They absolutely deserve the hatred they’re getting.

    32. NotJacobMurphy on

      Don’t know if I can really trust a paper that hides its info behind a personalised ad wall.

    33. cstross on

      Has anybody told this fool that Jeremy Bentham’s Panopticon **was designed to be the ultimate prison**?

      (Obviously this is just normal for the Home Office, who seem to think that the UK can only be kept safe if all of us are put in a prison cell for safe-keeping while they wait to find out what we’re guilty of, because we’re obviously all guilty. I mean, it’s not like Judge Dredd was satirizing this attitude, is it … /s)

    34. JBobSpig on

      In public spaces and government or private businesses sure, in personal private spaces no.

      People get all „it’s 1984!“ about stuff like this but it stops criminals being able to hide, it helps in all the things people want to happen, just are people ok with this level of surveillance in the UK? Aren’t we already one of the most surveillanced countries in the world?

      Also I was speaking about the over reach of government with regards to the online safety act and the banning of social media for under 16s, I said they’d keep going and go further and further if we let them.

    35. smeaton1724 on

      Typical and expected. Look at traffic policing, technology all over, speeding fines through ANPR cameras on gantries. Meanwhile day to day traffic policing is worse than it’s ever been.

      Same happening here, software and hardware tools to catch, fine and convict online, for everything up from hurty words, but real community policing where people are unsafe, ignored.

    36. Ciliate on

      And sadly, there are many MANY people in this country who would say this is great idea. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear etc.

    37. Not_Alpha_Centaurian on

      I only (very) partially buy into these „labour are actually the fascists“ arguments… but stuff like this really doesn’t help.

    38. Lower_Cockroach2432 on

      At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel „Don’t create the Torment Nexus“

    39. Aggravatin_Dingo on

      Calling it a “Panopticon” and still pitching it is certainly… a choice.

    40. Very_Bad_Ebening on

      The tendency of the British political class to propose more surveillance as the solution to every problem only for the problems to persist and get worse is unmatched 

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