Yea its because we dont want to live with the plebs. You dont want to either.
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Commercial-Pear-543 on
Water is wet?
We’re pretending this is breaking news?
thebigbioss on
Hasn’t this been happening for years especially in east London.
Its not just gentrification though, London has been too expensive for young people and doesn’t provide enough for families. As someone who grew up in London, my local area needs transforming but every potential plan is turned down by NIMBY’s.
InformationNew66 on
This is happening in many European cities, also Dublin suffers the same problem.
House prices and rents go up, people are forced more and more out of big cities, maybe only room share young people can live in it (for a while). The city centers become ghost towns outside of working hours. Commuting transportation lines get more and more traffic and are overcrowded as more and more people have to commute every day.
Remote working could have helped this but politicians, who do not represent the average worker as usual, just let companies force people to return to the office.
TheResultOfUs on
Had a back and forth with a guy on UKpol the other day who was *pro*-gentrification.
He seemed dead set that it would be „filling profitable areas with young professionals“ and didn’t seem to care much about how gentrification creates slums for the poors which become high crime area with poor education and job opportunities.
It’s just really disappointing that people can support inequality when we are literally living through the results of insane wealth inequality.
Sensitive_Echo5058 on
„So in these areas we’re seeing a disproportionate drop in black households. We’re also seeing really worryingly a drop in children in these neighbourhoods and that’s something that’s different,“ he said.
I think the drop in children is happening nationally. I’ve also never understood the argument that we should keep towns run‑down to maintain cultural homogeneity while at the same time complaining that the towns are run‑down.
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llamaz314 on
Why is gentrification bad? Would you rather areas be so dangerous no one can enter, the streets lined with drug addicts and homeless, and crime rampant? I can’t see why people complain about their city improving.
BaBeBaBeBooby on
So people who can no longer afford to live in London no longer able to live in London. Not exactly news, it has been like this for decades.
Options:
1. Quit working entirely and the council will house you in London
2. Earn more
3. Move out
The latter the most common option I believe. Unless you’re born into #1, are born/marry into serious money, #3 is the only option.
Hot_Chocolate92 on
Aren’t they having to close a load of schools to reflect this?
tysonmaniac on
Good. London is a world class city, you shouldn’t be able to afford to live in it unless you are significantly more productive than the average person. We ought not be endeavouring to make it possible for people who can’t and don’t contribute anything particularly remarkable to live in London, especially when so many people who actually contribute to the cities success struggle to move and remain there.
SableSnail on
London is hardly the best place to raise children anyway. I’m more concerned about how unaffordable housing is in the whole of the South East and how small the housing is too.
AtrapaElPezDorado on
Who bothered to study that? Isn’t that the definition of gentrification
trevstan1 on
Not sure about gentrification. More to do with housing supply and demand. House prices and rents have soared for years thanks to immigration.
Front_Mention on
No shit sherlock, making houses expensive means people starting out and wanted families cant afford them. Next article will be concluding water is wet
kassiusx on
Old news.
Data for years has shown that uncontrolled gentrification, pushes out people.
Need to learn to control it which other cities in Europe are doing ( not all). This ranges from rent regulations to observing what types of business etc are in the neighborhood…e.g not giving permits to non local businesses, checking how many bars and coffee shops are in the area etc.
UCL and others did an amazing state of living/housing report a number of years ago and it highlighted this. It was paid for by the government but the government, once published, chose to ignore it.
wybird on
It’s happening everywhere, London, the southeast, Cornwall, Isle of Wight and on and on.
frontendben on
It’s the lack of gentrification – specifically knocking down and densifying – that has pushed families out of London; not gentrification itself. What pushes families out isn’t neighbourhood improvement itself, but the failure to add enough homes alongside it.
A lack of increase in density to the level it should be is a root cause of the issues. It’s not about huge developments but more redeveloping things like semidetached and detached homes within 15 mins walk of tube stations into flats and townhouses meaning more people can live in the same place as they do now while accommodating more families without the tower blocks most people think of when they hear densification.
Zerodriven on
I’m a Londoner (Born in North London) and lived all over for years, north, east, and a majority of it in the south. Was lucky enough to be able to leave a few years ago.
Our first home was a 2 bed near Mitcham at £1300pm, next door were renting for £1500.
That was zone 5/6.
Family homes are unattainable for a lot of people, the house just sold for 400+ as a FTB home. It’s insanity.
Left London a few years ago, our mortgage on a 5 bed is less than renting a 1 bed in zone 2. Though I do have to drive past cows to get to a station..
Away-Activity-469 on
I dont see gentrification and families being forced out of places like Whitechapel or Southall. Perhaps because a genuine community exists in these places that is more cohesive than that created by the typical DINKY and HENRY consumers who do the gentrifying.
Awkward-Loquat2228 on
Boo fucking hoo. No one needs to live in London. Move out and solve the problem.
zestinglemon on
This then has a knock on effect where families are having to move out of London due to cost so then move to much cheaper villages, towns and cities in the Home Counties which drives house prices there through the roof and forces out residents just like in London.
My family home is a standard 2 bed with nothing special about it but is now valued at about £450,000. I live in a small town where a majority of the jobs about are minimum wage jobs and/or part time, or slightly above minimum wage managerial jobs. We do have transport connections to London via bus and rail but they are both extremely unreliable and are very likely to be cancelled at least once a week. The busses take multiple hours to get to London and the train takes about an hour and a half to get to the edges of London.
Prices of goods here are also getting closer and closer to London prices, yet wages just aren’t going up, if anything they are going down with more jobs going down to minimum wage. I’ve seen a job asking for a minimum wage tractor mechanic who needs their own tools, I’ve seen multiple jobs asking for minimum wage managers, I’ve seen a nursery job that wanted a degree in childcare and I’ve seen a minimum wage marketing specialist role that required a degree as well. Don’t know how people who were born or grown up in this area are expected to afford to live.
Taucher1979 on
This is nothing new. Lived in London for fifteen years from 18 and when I got married and we wanted children it became clear that we had no choice but leave.
Honestly would have stayed there forever otherwise.
Drummk on
Eventually London will be the sole preserve of millionaires and the workless.
GrumpyDingo on
[MAJOR_EUROPEAN_CITY] gentrification forcing families out
bars_and_plates on
„Gentrification“ is such a stupid word. The people moving into these areas are not gentry.
In the house shares it’s random graduates on min wage – min wage x 2.
The people actually buying houses are usually reasonably well paid professionals.
It’s not like there is some mass of landowners with acres up in the country that are selling up and buying shit flats in Hackney.
Not withstanding that, I sometimes think people don’t understand what renting means. No-one owes you a guarantee that the rent in your area will stay the same forever.
J1mj0hns0n on
why do reports like this come out like 7 years too late – i knew this happened because they all turned up buying up properties in Altrincham and hale seven years ago and they still haven’t stopped moving. like **D U H** anyone who every left their house new this was happening. the only places they didn’t go to is most of Lancashire because they couldn’t understand them.
xParesh on
London is pretty much full of only rich people who can afford to buy and the poor who depend on housing benefit and welfare.
If you’re not in either extreme you won’t be living here.
anonypanda on
Yet the solution is right there. Abolish planning. Don’t replace it. Just delete it. Leaving building regs in place. You will get homes at every price point and rapid densification which will make the city affordable for everyone. Sure, it’ll look a bit ugly like Japan. But I think people would rather have somewhere to live.
Astriania on
„Gentrification“ is just somewhere getting nicer, it is a good thing and should be supported by everyone.
The problem is that the housing market is just too hot so people can’t afford to live anywhere near where they want.
Are we allowed to talk about the demand issue in that market? Especially in London where everyone seems to want to go, especially new arrivals.
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Yea its because we dont want to live with the plebs. You dont want to either.
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Water is wet?
We’re pretending this is breaking news?
Hasn’t this been happening for years especially in east London.
Its not just gentrification though, London has been too expensive for young people and doesn’t provide enough for families. As someone who grew up in London, my local area needs transforming but every potential plan is turned down by NIMBY’s.
This is happening in many European cities, also Dublin suffers the same problem.
House prices and rents go up, people are forced more and more out of big cities, maybe only room share young people can live in it (for a while). The city centers become ghost towns outside of working hours. Commuting transportation lines get more and more traffic and are overcrowded as more and more people have to commute every day.
Remote working could have helped this but politicians, who do not represent the average worker as usual, just let companies force people to return to the office.
Had a back and forth with a guy on UKpol the other day who was *pro*-gentrification.
He seemed dead set that it would be „filling profitable areas with young professionals“ and didn’t seem to care much about how gentrification creates slums for the poors which become high crime area with poor education and job opportunities.
It’s just really disappointing that people can support inequality when we are literally living through the results of insane wealth inequality.
„So in these areas we’re seeing a disproportionate drop in black households. We’re also seeing really worryingly a drop in children in these neighbourhoods and that’s something that’s different,“ he said.
I think the drop in children is happening nationally. I’ve also never understood the argument that we should keep towns run‑down to maintain cultural homogeneity while at the same time complaining that the towns are run‑down.
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Why is gentrification bad? Would you rather areas be so dangerous no one can enter, the streets lined with drug addicts and homeless, and crime rampant? I can’t see why people complain about their city improving.
So people who can no longer afford to live in London no longer able to live in London. Not exactly news, it has been like this for decades.
Options:
1. Quit working entirely and the council will house you in London
2. Earn more
3. Move out
The latter the most common option I believe. Unless you’re born into #1, are born/marry into serious money, #3 is the only option.
Aren’t they having to close a load of schools to reflect this?
Good. London is a world class city, you shouldn’t be able to afford to live in it unless you are significantly more productive than the average person. We ought not be endeavouring to make it possible for people who can’t and don’t contribute anything particularly remarkable to live in London, especially when so many people who actually contribute to the cities success struggle to move and remain there.
London is hardly the best place to raise children anyway. I’m more concerned about how unaffordable housing is in the whole of the South East and how small the housing is too.
Who bothered to study that? Isn’t that the definition of gentrification
Not sure about gentrification. More to do with housing supply and demand. House prices and rents have soared for years thanks to immigration.
No shit sherlock, making houses expensive means people starting out and wanted families cant afford them. Next article will be concluding water is wet
Old news.
Data for years has shown that uncontrolled gentrification, pushes out people.
Need to learn to control it which other cities in Europe are doing ( not all). This ranges from rent regulations to observing what types of business etc are in the neighborhood…e.g not giving permits to non local businesses, checking how many bars and coffee shops are in the area etc.
UCL and others did an amazing state of living/housing report a number of years ago and it highlighted this. It was paid for by the government but the government, once published, chose to ignore it.
It’s happening everywhere, London, the southeast, Cornwall, Isle of Wight and on and on.
It’s the lack of gentrification – specifically knocking down and densifying – that has pushed families out of London; not gentrification itself. What pushes families out isn’t neighbourhood improvement itself, but the failure to add enough homes alongside it.
A lack of increase in density to the level it should be is a root cause of the issues. It’s not about huge developments but more redeveloping things like semidetached and detached homes within 15 mins walk of tube stations into flats and townhouses meaning more people can live in the same place as they do now while accommodating more families without the tower blocks most people think of when they hear densification.
I’m a Londoner (Born in North London) and lived all over for years, north, east, and a majority of it in the south. Was lucky enough to be able to leave a few years ago.
Our first home was a 2 bed near Mitcham at £1300pm, next door were renting for £1500.
That was zone 5/6.
Family homes are unattainable for a lot of people, the house just sold for 400+ as a FTB home. It’s insanity.
Left London a few years ago, our mortgage on a 5 bed is less than renting a 1 bed in zone 2. Though I do have to drive past cows to get to a station..
I dont see gentrification and families being forced out of places like Whitechapel or Southall. Perhaps because a genuine community exists in these places that is more cohesive than that created by the typical DINKY and HENRY consumers who do the gentrifying.
Boo fucking hoo. No one needs to live in London. Move out and solve the problem.
This then has a knock on effect where families are having to move out of London due to cost so then move to much cheaper villages, towns and cities in the Home Counties which drives house prices there through the roof and forces out residents just like in London.
My family home is a standard 2 bed with nothing special about it but is now valued at about £450,000. I live in a small town where a majority of the jobs about are minimum wage jobs and/or part time, or slightly above minimum wage managerial jobs. We do have transport connections to London via bus and rail but they are both extremely unreliable and are very likely to be cancelled at least once a week. The busses take multiple hours to get to London and the train takes about an hour and a half to get to the edges of London.
Prices of goods here are also getting closer and closer to London prices, yet wages just aren’t going up, if anything they are going down with more jobs going down to minimum wage. I’ve seen a job asking for a minimum wage tractor mechanic who needs their own tools, I’ve seen multiple jobs asking for minimum wage managers, I’ve seen a nursery job that wanted a degree in childcare and I’ve seen a minimum wage marketing specialist role that required a degree as well. Don’t know how people who were born or grown up in this area are expected to afford to live.
This is nothing new. Lived in London for fifteen years from 18 and when I got married and we wanted children it became clear that we had no choice but leave.
Honestly would have stayed there forever otherwise.
Eventually London will be the sole preserve of millionaires and the workless.
[MAJOR_EUROPEAN_CITY] gentrification forcing families out
„Gentrification“ is such a stupid word. The people moving into these areas are not gentry.
In the house shares it’s random graduates on min wage – min wage x 2.
The people actually buying houses are usually reasonably well paid professionals.
It’s not like there is some mass of landowners with acres up in the country that are selling up and buying shit flats in Hackney.
Not withstanding that, I sometimes think people don’t understand what renting means. No-one owes you a guarantee that the rent in your area will stay the same forever.
why do reports like this come out like 7 years too late – i knew this happened because they all turned up buying up properties in Altrincham and hale seven years ago and they still haven’t stopped moving. like **D U H** anyone who every left their house new this was happening. the only places they didn’t go to is most of Lancashire because they couldn’t understand them.
London is pretty much full of only rich people who can afford to buy and the poor who depend on housing benefit and welfare.
If you’re not in either extreme you won’t be living here.
Yet the solution is right there. Abolish planning. Don’t replace it. Just delete it. Leaving building regs in place. You will get homes at every price point and rapid densification which will make the city affordable for everyone. Sure, it’ll look a bit ugly like Japan. But I think people would rather have somewhere to live.
„Gentrification“ is just somewhere getting nicer, it is a good thing and should be supported by everyone.
The problem is that the housing market is just too hot so people can’t afford to live anywhere near where they want.
Are we allowed to talk about the demand issue in that market? Especially in London where everyone seems to want to go, especially new arrivals.
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