„Zutiefst problematisch“ – Experten kritisieren Finnlands Pläne für ein Integrationsmodell mit Zuckerbrot und Peitsche

https://yle.fi/a/74-20204308

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14 Kommentare

  1. Lazy_Finding_6270 on

    This sucks, but well… People have never been and will never be equal.
    Plus ppl just sitting here without work, be it their fault or not / immigrant or not, are draining the funds.

    So it is just sensible that we dont take MORE of those ppl in.

  2. > The new model would mean that people who move to Finland from abroad, but do not yet have employment, would no longer be entitled to the same level of unemployment benefit as native Finns, as is currently the case.

    The current way is a joke… why pay unemployment to someone who hasn’t contributed (yet) to the system.

  3. I’m guessing that this is basically for the spouses of other immigrants who are coming to work or study.

    It’s well worn territory but it’s crazy to me that a person can move to Finland to study and their spouse can move over with them, and claim unemployment benefits when pretty much everyone involved knows that the spouse will never be able to find a job in Finland.

  4. Coloeus_Monedula on

    Apparently our right wing government leaders — in their infinite wisdom and frugality — believe we can’t, as a nation, afford to abide by the constitution it was founded upon any more.

    > **Chapter 2 – Basic rights and liberties**
    >
    > **Section 6 – Equality**
    >
    > Everyone is equal before the law.
    >
    > No one shall, without an acceptable reason, be treated differently from other persons on the ground of sex, age, origin, language, religion, conviction, opinion, health, disability or other reason that concerns his or her person.

    Source: [The Constitution of Finland (English translation)](https://www.finlex.fi/api/media/statute-foreign-language-translation/688686/mainPdf/main.pdf?timestamp=1999-06-10T21%3A00%3A00.000Z)

    Well, as long as we get tax reductions for the most wealthy and highest income earners, I guess. It’s just a bunch of words anyway. Can’t really buy a boat with words, can you?

  5. Neutral-frame on

    What’s up with Yle making a basic common sense actually sound bad and putting misleading titles? Of course someone who has not contributed yet cannot just randomly receive unemployment benefits. The system would collapse.

  6. suolattu-saatana on

    >Yle News understands that recipients of this integration support would receive 33.64 euros per day, which corresponds to roughly 90 percent of the amount received by other jobseekers.

    >Each recipient of integration support would remain at this rate for the first three years of their time in Finland unless they find a job or demonstrate a sufficient level of language skills in either Finnish or Swedish — effectively tying their unemployment benefit to their language skills.

    If you think this is „deeply problematic“ there’s something wrong with your brain.

  7. TraditionalUse1052 on

    I’ve got a friend who is a nurse (studied and graduated in Finland) who just quit his job yesterday and is going to leave Finland permanently for Ireland next month. The reason particularly is stress from „work“. He works in an aged care facility in Töölö. He said that the tasks and duties per se are okay but the micro aggressions he receives constantly about not speaking the language properly is the straw that broke the camel’s back. We belong to the same profession and I can attest that what he said is accurate. I experienced being bullied at work because of my poor language skills. Sometimes I kind of wonder what people expect when one is from another country and was hired to work in Finland and have been staying for example one year to two years only and be expected to be speaking Finnish like a local? Yes we do have a 6 month training before deployment but that is not enough. Unfortunately he was not the first of our circle of friends who migrated to Finland and later left. If I count friends who took off I’d say 3 already. This is only from my friends, i can also hear from friends of my friends that there are also defections from them. Not to mention the current changes in immigration and low salary in the healthcare field immigrants are leaving in droves. If this is the aim of the current government, well I think they are very successful. Even me is contemplating leaving.

  8. „The unattainable carrot and the unavoidable stick“

    Where the carrot, unattainable, is getting a job and/or learning the language? Speaks volumes about your attitudes if you think immigrants are somehow unable to reach either one of these goals. Immigrants are smart, resourceful and hard-working. The carrot is very attainable.

  9. FluffyFoxDev on

    I don’t see the problem? If you immigrate and then neither do not work then why should you be entitled to the same benefits as people who pay taxes (immigrant or native)? It seems like a basic concept of the social contract that if you do not contribute in any way to the community then you should receive less from the community.

    It works the same way in Denmark: you don’t have access to certain benefits until you have earned permanent residence, which is mostly earned by working or studying. You can still pay your own unemployment insurance like most Danes do of course, but you don’t get access to the “kontanthjælp” unemployment subsidy for example (it’s money the state gives if you are looking for work through a job center and have no other means), and even if you are European you need to work 10-12 hours per week to earn student subsidies.

  10. SocialHumbuggery on

    As someone working in the field of immigration, the only stupid change related to immigration the government has so far made, was the three month rule (which I don’t disagree with on principle, but it should be minimum of six months or more).

    All the other changes I welcome happily. The system has been absolutely rife with abuse. If we had the current and proposed legislation in place back when the big wave „refugees“ arrived, we’d likely be in a lot better place, in which PS would only have a support of 5% to 10%.

  11. feanarosurion on

    Zero reason why anyone should get unemployment benefits without paying into the system. Allowing them to start once you have permanent residence is the best solution in my view.

    And students shouldn’t be allowed family reunification in the first place. Although, taking away the eligibility for benefits would likely also solve that problem.

  12. No_Technician_5944 on

    I’m so tired of hearing this bullshit about, „in order to properly integrate a person needs to speak adequate Finnish or Swedish“. Try finding a job as just a Swedish speaker. It’s a great idea for an easy way to get citizenship, but they need to stop saying that. Swedish alone will not get you anywhere here.

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