Dies ist das dritte Mal, dass wir ohne Heizung auskommen. Jedes Mal, wenn wir fragen, machen sie uns einen Blödsinn, weil wir zu viel Treibstoff verbrauchen. Wir vermieten 2 Zimmer mit jeweils 2 Heizkörpern, von denen aber nur einer funktioniert. Wir sagen es ihnen und sie ignorieren uns. Immer wenn wir keine mehr haben, fürchte ich mich davor, noch einmal zu fragen.
Wir haben ein Kind. Den anderen Raum lassen wir geschlossen, weil wir ihn nicht warm halten können. So kann man nicht leben. Ich bin nicht der einzige Mieter, der Probleme hatte, aber alle anderen scheinen sich einfach nicht verstecken zu wollen und weiterzumachen.
Ich bin in einer missbräuchlichen Familie aufgewachsen und das kommt mir unheimlich bekannt vor. Zum Glück ziehen wir nächste Woche aus, aber das ist unmenschlich!
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Von dice-warden
22 Kommentare
Hi there,
You don’t report them : you sue them. You can report the situation to your Mieterverein so that they can advise you on further actions.
Not enough context. Doesn’t sound abusive. If you really use 900 euro worth of oil and it’s always low they have a right to either ask or charge you. Do you have pauschale or Vorauszahlung?
I feel like there’s a bit of information missing – the heaters in individual rooms need to be refueled? What kind of heating do you have? Do you pay for the amount of fuel you’re using or is fuel covered by a blank fee included in rent?
To me, it reads as if you just pay a blank fee and now the landlord feels like you’re using the heater in inappropriate, wasteful ways, costing him money.
landlord sounds pretty nice tbh.
1. You do not report a landlord. You have to get a lawyer or be member at the local or national Mietverein.
2. How long have you been living there? Died you cahnge your heating behaviour? Is there a technical reason you need more oil (no mainatence on the oil heater so its becomin inefficient maybe? Landlord has to check it regulary)
3. How is the house constructed? Is it old? Renovated? Insulated or not?
4. How are the heaters supplied? Are these Oil chimneys?
Four heaters in two rooms wont amount to 900 euro Nachzahlung. I know because I had a house with oil burner that consumed 5000+ L oil per year. On normal years we paid around 3000 Eur per year, during the onset of Ukraine wars we paid 5000 euro per year. But that was for heating an entire house with 160sqm plus 70sqm basement.
Sounds like you share the heating with the landlord. Do you have separate meter for your heaters?
Asking to talk over tea is abusive?
You sound like a nightmare tennant.
Buy small thermometers and put it in different parts of your home. The temperature shouldn’t be less than 18°C otherwise it could grow mold.
Check how warm it is for a period of time and you could have arguments to go to the mietverein, even when you say that half of the heaters doesn’t work…should be enough.
whats abusive about this and why is your landlord paying for energy cost
I don’t understand how he is Abusive – landlord seems nice and legit. You can meet him and tell him your requirement and your usage. He is offering to meet in person as well.
Can you please tell us what kind of heater it is ? And how you are using it. Maybe something is broken etc.
If you pay what you use they must give prove of you wasting that on their Invoice/Nebenkostenabrechnung (e.g. all apartments have separate measure unit). Or you pay lumpsum. In neither case you are obliged to ask for oil, it should be taken care of by them.
450 euro extra in a month sounds impossible unless the heater is broken. I have 245sqm and spend maximum(!) 350euro total Oil per month during the 4-5 winter-month and half in Autumn/Spring. My heater is from 1997, so quite old.
You are inhumane, not your landlord.. Fkn pathetic. I feel bad for your kids, really
Doesn’t seem to be abusive though. You could always get these potable electric heaters that work really well.
wait are you using an oil heater in your enclosed rooms… because if you are your in danger of Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Landlord seems like a reasonable nice person, willing to talk and to solve the problem..
You on the other sound absolutely insane. I bet you leave the heating on when nobody’s home..
I don’t see this as abusive without further information.
If the heaters aren’t working right despite burning so much fuel, then it sounds like the settings are wrong, maybe the water pressure is too low in the system and it needs to be recalibrated or something. Source: also use oil burning heaters
Both of you have valid points. This is not abuse. Go turn the heater off, make them a cup of tea and fugure out together if the counter is still working and is there a leak or whatever. Call a hausmeister too. Call anyone who knows anything about oil heating ffs.
Your landlord wants to talk to you to figure this out. Why are you still texting? Talk to them and find out why it’s cold in your apartment and why they are getting such high readings.
Like what’s with society these days, that yoh avoid real life conversations and jump straight to screaming about abuse and lawyers at a simple request to try to solve the situation.
You know there’s no one that can be angry at an extremely kind person. If this is the first time, let them come over for tea and be as kind as you can, be honest. If they’re still dicks then just go to court
You are unhinged. Nothing in these messages are abusive, unless we are missing out on further info. Previous life experiences aren’t always indicative of the present. You might need help with compartmentalising your trauma.
You’re moving out next week which is good for both parties tbh, I would say just move on at this point.
I feel that both sides have valid points but the guy is trying to offer numerous attempts to resolve the situation, presumably so you and your child aren’t left in the cold. No he’s not entitled to meet with you for tea but you know… meet in the middle somewhere?
What outcome do you want from reporting them?
Step one needs to be : working WITH your landlord, take up their offer of tea and discuss. If you’re cordial and polite, and they refuse to fix the heaters, then it’s time for the Mietsverein. But doubt you’d have much ground for complaint if you refuse to meet your landlord.
Tbh it might just be better to find someone new to live, as this situation is clearly causing you a lot of stress. Plus if you have to live in one room as a family, it must be crowded so can’t really be suitable.
I agree with many others that wrote that there is not enough info.
It sounds like there are some shared costs for the heating and there is no counter on each of the heating elements like in most apartments.
If there is a counter, the extra cost will be paid by you; so if the landlord (with whom you seem to share the apartment or building) want to save money for their own heating, the extra heating will be billed to you.
But if there are no separate counters and the price for heating is divided by half or by size of living space, it is understandable if they bring up the topic that you are using heat more than them. Then instead of asking them to pay for your needs of higher consumption, you should come up with some proposals on how to split costs in a more balanced way.
My landlady often complains that I use too much water. To my defense I pointed out that I have to waste a lot of water to have hot water at the first floor, while she doesn’t.
The key for dividing the expenses for water was half-half. Once I had to agree to pay 75%, even though I shower just once a week 😅
It’s hard to prove who is right and who is wrong in a shared living space. If they are right on the fact that they paid also your expenses for heating because of how they decided to divide the costs, then it’s bad from you for wanting to sue them and not discussing how to find an agreement. If you are trying to exploit the division of the expenses and charge them of your costs, then buy an electric heater