Ich denke, dass viele Menschen leugnen oder einfach nicht akzeptieren können, dass China bereits die weltweit führende Nation für Wissenschaft und Technologie ist. Ich kann ihnen ihre Unwissenheit nicht vorwerfen. Die meisten englischsprachigen Medien vermeiden es gewissenhaft, es zu erwähnen. Immer wieder sehe ich Themen wie KI, Raumfahrt und Robotik behandelt, wobei nur über Entwicklungen in westlichen Ländern gesprochen wird, als ob China nicht existieren würde. Und das, obwohl es inzwischen in so vielen Bereichen führend ist.
Das Problem mit Selbstgefälligkeit und Ignoranz besteht darin, dass man dadurch ein wirklich verzerrtes Bild der Realität erhält. Man kann nicht verstehen, wie sich das 21. Jahrhundert entwickelt, ohne China zu berücksichtigen, und China zu ignorieren bedeutet, dass man sich einer Illusion hingibt.
ASPIs Critical Technology Tracker: Updates für 2025 und 10 neue Technologien
New research shows China leads research in 90% of crucial technologies & ignoring this means we're living in a delusional bubble, where we still think the West is the Sci-Tech leader.
byu/lughnasadh inFuturology
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They have alot of engineers which helps. But time will tell.
While I agree that complacency is dangerous, most of China’s *achievements* were developed through espionage and not research. They’re not researching things from the ground up, rather they’re stealing information that they don’t understand and trying to apply it to things that they do understand. It’s pretty sloppy.
Western countries are run by a small group of psychopathic billionaires who believe that scientific advances like curing diseases aren’t profitable enough. Instead research is intentionally focused on trying to find a once daily pill/injection that creates a life long customer.
I wouldn’t be surprised, but at the same time I am delusional enough to not take every news about China at face value. It is complicated to assess where they stand. In the past there was a lot of confusion about the sheer volume of their scientific output, but I think there was a wave of junk science included.
However, I am willing to accept them taking the lead in science either now or in the near future. Mainly because a growing number of people in the current science and tech leading country, the US, seem to be not so sure anymore about the question if science is actually real.
China is a dying country. Literally. Those under age 50 will soon be outnumbered by those over age 50.
China doesn’t/can’t innovate at all. They are forced to steal other countries IP just to keep up.
The CCP won’t exist in 10 years or so.
I don’t think people are in denial, it just isn’t much of a story. They finally get their day in the spotlight? The US has a quarter of the population, but a much bigger footprint for the last ~75 years; that’s why it was a story to begin with
Why is it always “We” think? If you have half of a brain and have ever understood and was aware of the world you’d know this. I have long loved my country but understanding that we are at behind in many ways.
You know what will help this? More cuts to education and putting the 10 commandments on walls in schools. That’ll give the edge back to the good ole USA! /S
I’m already attempting to learn Mandarin; what else are we lay people expected to do, understand the current fifteen year plan and „face culture“ so that we don’t deliberately have misunderstanding of each other?
….. Great more cultural and emotional unpaid labour
I was checking out Huawei latest smartphone last night and my god.. it’s nesting Samsung for sure. Has TOF biometrics like Apple. And the Chinese space program is really getting good.
I have no hate, both of those are good progress.. even if some is probably stolen. Most progress is derivative anyway whatever.
They also control the vast majority of the inputs needed for manufacturing and their manufacturing capacity dwarfs the west.
The US has already lost to China, they just don’t realize it yet.
If you go to pretty much any tier one university in the US their science faculty has representation from various internationals. Often those international professors are ranked some of the best in their fields. This has classically been because US universities were well funded and those top tier researchers were able to practice their science without any real concern about the government bringing the hammer down on them.
…that’s not the case anymore and it won’t be the case going forward.
Part of the reason we see the „west“ unravelling right now is because of these types of things. You have a certain population that would rather be mediocre and lie to themselves about it than work alongside people that aren’t the same as themselves.
I’m just going to say it.. China is getting ahead because they have a nationalistic authoritarian that places the good of the country ahead of the people. It is very difficult for the United States to compete with that. Not impossible. But difficult.
Nationalism can be important for countries because it creates a cohesive Us vs Them mentality and prevents internal division like here in the US. There are huge similarities between China and society within the Hunger Games series. Those in the main cities live lavish. Those in the outer parts live destined to be poor. Huge state control and intervention. Freedoms fairly limited. Instead of the selected few kids killing each other, you have those select few in fierce competition within education and for career.
I think the first thing the West needs to do is *look at China like the adversary it is*.
Edit: And here comes the Chinese bots.. go from 4 upvotes to 1 and likely lower here soon 🤣
How is this tracked? Is it just based on papers published or actual breakthroughs? Cause the last time I read something like it was just based on a bunch of junk papers going through and then just saying “there it is, they are leading!”
I’m always sceptical about those claims. I live in Western Europe, study a STEM field and have been learning Chinese for a few years so I get access to chinese scientific content. They for sure value science and education much more than the average american and they produce lots of scientists and engineers. But there has also been the issue of paper mills in China for a long time, researchers are under pressure to publish as much as possible even if the value of their research may not be great. Let’s also not forget that the Chinese government will tend to not admit issues in its research system to „save face“. So I’m sceptical about those claims.
But if the outcome of all this would be that this leads the US to reevaluate its scientific priorities and reinvest in education, then that would be a positiv outcome.
One only has to look at China’s art and architecture to see the clear signs of the degree of their advancement. Those are just the easy ‚first glance‘ ‚first impressions‘ of a society. Look a little deeper: at their cities, their infrastructure projects, their education system …etc and you will see a society fully invested in themselves.
Unfortunately, Americans chose to lull themselves to sleep believing we were the obvious pinnacle. We came to see social investment as „theft“ and education „indoctrination“. We made a bed and passed out on the couch.
There was a brief moment following the passing of the 3 major investment bills during Biden’s term where it looked like we had a reasonable chance to pull out of our tailspin and maintain our competitiveness, but that was violently shutdown this year.
Even if we wake up tomorrow and pick up the pieces… we are 10 years behind in preparation, 20 in infrastructure and probably 30 in momentum.
It is a fair bet that China is tops for the foreseeable future.
Maybe our taxes should be spent on education, healthcare, and infrastructure instead of being spent on proxy wars and wars that we end up losing anyways.
I’m doing a more advanced thesis right now and a lot of the older people I’m citing ended up in Australia or china
I was trying to get out of this piece of shit country for awhile
The US is where tech companies rake in billions while delivering horrible results. Very little innovation here is made to benefit our society. It is purely made to benefit the wallets of the people that are already rich.
It’s time to change that.
China is and always has been playing the long game. By contrast, the US is hyper focussed on short term profits and ROI
By all metrics, China is the economic and industrial engine of the 21st century. Around 50% of AI researchers are Chinese or have Chinese ancestry, they control rare earth mining and refining globally, dominate battery production, ditto wind/solar… Currently Building 30 nuclear reactors, ECT…ect….
We walked on the moon. Communism failed. God bless America!