Towards the end, it’s mentioned that many Russian Jews have moved to Yerevan in the wake of the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, which I find slightly surprising. There’s obviously Israel, but what about Armenia’s eastern neighbor that Zionists are always raving about?
RebootedShadowRaider on
>“From Israel, Armenia could learn to defend its interests and territories with greater determination and rigor. Young men and women from all over the world move to Israel to serve in the Israel Defense Forces, to honor ancestors who never had such an opportunity, and to protect the Promised Land. It would be wonderful if something similar could happen in Armenia.“
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Yeah, that *must* be the difference. It’s not that Israel has the unconditional diplomatic and military support of the strongest superpower in human history and an unending supply of the most sophisticated weapons in the world.
How much „determination and rigor“ would Israel have if it was as outgunned as Armenia and the international community was mostly interested in ensuring their people could be ethnically cleansed quietly.
boozcruise21 on
Like now to sell drones to Azerbaijan and get kicked out of places?
occupykony2 on
Some weird Israeli loser lived in Turkey and now has thoughts on Armenia, more at 11
GlendaleFemboi on
>From Israel, Armenia could learn to defend its interests and territories with greater determination and rigor. Young men and women from all over the world move to Israel to serve in the Israel Defense Forces, to honor ancestors who never had such an opportunity, and to protect the Promised Land. It would be wonderful if something similar could happen in Armenia.
I know someone living in LA who flew to Armenia to fight in each one of the Nagorno-Karabakh wars, because he has Armenian citizenship and an enlistment. So I asked him how I could get involved, should I take a vacation and train with VOMA? He said don’t do it if you don’t have connections over there, people in Armenia aren’t trustworthy, they will rip you off and cheat you. Plus, I heard about volunteers in 2020 sitting around because they didn’t have permission to go over the border. There is supposedly an Armenian-American volunteer group but last time I asked, they were inactive due to uncertainty over whether RoA government will accept them.
By comparison, the Jews of the early 20th century built a society with the intention of inviting their diaspora. There’s a myth that Jews after WWII all went to Israel because it was their biblical promised land, when in reality, they mainly went to Israel because it already had by far the most concentrated and most inviting Jewish community in the world (after the Holocaust). The native Jews were enthusiastic about bringing in Jewish immigrants and they had made institutions that were trustworthy and effective for this purpose. They didn’t have the rich society that they have now, but they had vigor and a work ethic and opportunities. This way Israel got lots of talented people including WWII veterans who were instrumental in winning wars.
Armenia isn’t built with that kind of telos. From the diaspora perspective we see it as a charity mission at best, or at worst, a corrupt society that is going to exploit us. We don’t see opportunities to go there with our money and talent and build a community.
mojitosupreme on
I love Jews and I love Israel. But I will not forget the weapons sold to Azerbaijan. Every Armenian knows that. No Armenians have harmed any Jews almost ever, discounting individual cases. But I see this development as good news. We ALWAYS need to learn, from allies and enemies alike. Just remember, Palestinians believe that Jews and Christians are bound together and can’t be trusted. Regardless of Israel.
ErebosEV97 on
Armenia and Israel would be great allies. I think Armenia and its people stands in its own way geopolitically. Azerbaijan is in their geoplitical acting so much smarter.
Armenia and Israel both have so many things in common. Both are indigenous states threatened by foreign imperialism. If Armenia were to be at the side of the US, the EU and Israel in the past, many things could look probably be better for Armenia.
Lets see what the future brings. But I hope for an alliance between the West, Israel and Armenia.
yamhawk on
I’m a Palestinian Christian. Armenians live filly integrated into our Palestinian community (they came as refuge after the genocide), and are equally oppressed under Israeli occupation. Israel is commiting ethnic cleansing, how could Armenians support such a country?
lbvn6 on
i’ve always said this, armenians and jews are very similar and armenian diaspora has a lot to learn from them. no matter israel’s shitty government the diaspora always sticks together and supports them. the same cannot be said about armenian diaspora
DeGuyWithDeOpinion on
It’s the patronising lecture of the people selling weapons to your enemies.
Other-Comfortable-64 on
Yeah Israel can learn that just because you were genocided does not give you the right to commit genocide.
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Towards the end, it’s mentioned that many Russian Jews have moved to Yerevan in the wake of the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, which I find slightly surprising. There’s obviously Israel, but what about Armenia’s eastern neighbor that Zionists are always raving about?
>“From Israel, Armenia could learn to defend its interests and territories with greater determination and rigor. Young men and women from all over the world move to Israel to serve in the Israel Defense Forces, to honor ancestors who never had such an opportunity, and to protect the Promised Land. It would be wonderful if something similar could happen in Armenia.“
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Yeah, that *must* be the difference. It’s not that Israel has the unconditional diplomatic and military support of the strongest superpower in human history and an unending supply of the most sophisticated weapons in the world.
How much „determination and rigor“ would Israel have if it was as outgunned as Armenia and the international community was mostly interested in ensuring their people could be ethnically cleansed quietly.
Like now to sell drones to Azerbaijan and get kicked out of places?
Some weird Israeli loser lived in Turkey and now has thoughts on Armenia, more at 11
>From Israel, Armenia could learn to defend its interests and territories with greater determination and rigor. Young men and women from all over the world move to Israel to serve in the Israel Defense Forces, to honor ancestors who never had such an opportunity, and to protect the Promised Land. It would be wonderful if something similar could happen in Armenia.
I know someone living in LA who flew to Armenia to fight in each one of the Nagorno-Karabakh wars, because he has Armenian citizenship and an enlistment. So I asked him how I could get involved, should I take a vacation and train with VOMA? He said don’t do it if you don’t have connections over there, people in Armenia aren’t trustworthy, they will rip you off and cheat you. Plus, I heard about volunteers in 2020 sitting around because they didn’t have permission to go over the border. There is supposedly an Armenian-American volunteer group but last time I asked, they were inactive due to uncertainty over whether RoA government will accept them.
By comparison, the Jews of the early 20th century built a society with the intention of inviting their diaspora. There’s a myth that Jews after WWII all went to Israel because it was their biblical promised land, when in reality, they mainly went to Israel because it already had by far the most concentrated and most inviting Jewish community in the world (after the Holocaust). The native Jews were enthusiastic about bringing in Jewish immigrants and they had made institutions that were trustworthy and effective for this purpose. They didn’t have the rich society that they have now, but they had vigor and a work ethic and opportunities. This way Israel got lots of talented people including WWII veterans who were instrumental in winning wars.
Armenia isn’t built with that kind of telos. From the diaspora perspective we see it as a charity mission at best, or at worst, a corrupt society that is going to exploit us. We don’t see opportunities to go there with our money and talent and build a community.
I love Jews and I love Israel. But I will not forget the weapons sold to Azerbaijan. Every Armenian knows that. No Armenians have harmed any Jews almost ever, discounting individual cases. But I see this development as good news. We ALWAYS need to learn, from allies and enemies alike. Just remember, Palestinians believe that Jews and Christians are bound together and can’t be trusted. Regardless of Israel.
Armenia and Israel would be great allies. I think Armenia and its people stands in its own way geopolitically. Azerbaijan is in their geoplitical acting so much smarter.
Armenia and Israel both have so many things in common. Both are indigenous states threatened by foreign imperialism. If Armenia were to be at the side of the US, the EU and Israel in the past, many things could look probably be better for Armenia.
Lets see what the future brings. But I hope for an alliance between the West, Israel and Armenia.
I’m a Palestinian Christian. Armenians live filly integrated into our Palestinian community (they came as refuge after the genocide), and are equally oppressed under Israeli occupation. Israel is commiting ethnic cleansing, how could Armenians support such a country?
i’ve always said this, armenians and jews are very similar and armenian diaspora has a lot to learn from them. no matter israel’s shitty government the diaspora always sticks together and supports them. the same cannot be said about armenian diaspora
It’s the patronising lecture of the people selling weapons to your enemies.
Yeah Israel can learn that just because you were genocided does not give you the right to commit genocide.