All at the discounted cost of 400,00 to 700,000 Russian casualties.
TheDelftenaar on
At this point its quite usseles to continue with war: Heavy losses, decreasing economy and alot more.
Other-Comfortable-64 on
Think WW1, this is how this works.
MBH2112 on
That’s almost the land area of Latvia.
hotDamQc on
While Russian bots try to tell us they would win a war against Europe lol. They sure own Trump for now probably with sordid blackmail but against united Europe they are doomed.
BlueDoom7 on
Its just sad what’s happening to Ukrainians and innocent Russians who were forced to fight
ChrisWayg on
It’s a war of attrition:
>A war of attrition is a military strategy aimed at wearing down an opponent through continuous losses in personnel, equipment, and supplies until the enemy’s capacity to fight collapses or their will to continue is exhausted.
If their strategy works, the Ukrainian military will collapse at a certain point in the future.
themirso on
Attritional warfare which Russia wages is not about conquering territory per se, but inflicting too high casualties to the enemy. Russian strategy is to wait for the Ukrainian reserves of equipment and men to run out and then resume the manouvre warfare, if peace is not achieved before that. Russian way of war has always been to take enemy punches and survive them while punching hard enough to stand at the end of the war.
Russia has succeeded in history in many fights similar to now being waged in Ukraine. during the 17th century they fought against Poland for decades and suffered enormous losses, but Russia won because Poland was exhausted of men before. Russia is really dangerous opponent because they can cause significant damage to their enemies while being able to absorb enormous losses.
Therefore we have to support Ukraine more and make the price too high for Russians. Russias weakness especially is its high tech equipment which is hard to replace like Awacs planes and its fleet and airforce. Russia will not run out of men or tanks or artillery, but they can run out of much of the sophisticated equipment required to wage modern war.
Intelligent-Wing-752 on
It’s a war of attrition. Russia isn’t focused on capturing territory so much as grinding down the number of Ukrainians on the front lines. I hear people make this argument all the time to make it seem like Ukraine isn’t losing badly.
JoeDyenz on
At this rate they can reach Kyiv in 2075
Veteran45 on
This is like showing a map of the Battle of Verdun and telling us nothing significant happened.
drunkenmime on
How many men were killed though?
Strange_Committee1 on
War is won by attrition, not by how quick land is conquered.
DeerEnforcement on
Does anyone know what the Ukrainian/Russian border is like where there isn’t a front?
JumpySimple7793 on
Worth noting the territory taken is mostly made up of medium sized towns and fields
Since the opening days of the 2022 war, Russia hasn’t actually been able to take a large city, the prospect of them even trying to take one would be very difficult
Adds more perspective
Dannyawesome2 on
Everyone in these comment talking about a war of attrition that is going to break Ukraine while Ukraine is defending and Russia is Sendung their soldiers in meat waves
Altaccount330 on
Are they trying to capture more or have they just settled on what they’re in possession of?
kink4spite on
1% too much.
eVerYtHiNgIsTaKeN-_- on
Sure, but that’s where the russian military mindset kicks in with all its cruelty. They (can afford to??) just send more troops into the meat grinder. At some point there is only another Volkssturm left.
mikebootz on
Go back to 2022 and see how much Russia lost from their maximum territory controlled and how much they’ve lost since then. As well as losing the battle of the Black Sea to a navy with no boats lol
Agreeable_Falcon1044 on
Which makes that Kremlin written peace deal presented last week even weirder…they would instantly capture another 5-10% they aren’t occupying and unlikely to ever do so, and the other side would lose all support, all weapons, all allies and have their army reduced!
Entire-Scallion-4723 on
so, in 2 years, ruzziz could manage to capture 0.62% ok Ukraine. Wow. 100 more years and it would be 62%, if there would still be someone alive in ruzzia
nygdan on
Russia illegally invaded Ukraine during peacetime using non-uniformed soldiers. They stole and annexed territory and desperately tried to take Kiev and the entire country.
The Ukrainians have astoundingly managed to prevent that, and have made Russians pay a very high price in lives for every inch of territory. Russia retaliated by targeting civilians, bombing city cores, torturing and mutilating POW, and even kidnapping and sex trafficking thousands of children.
All the land in red has to be returned to Ukraine, all kidnapped children must be returned, and billions in war reparations are owed.
JustADirtyLurker on
Ukrainians are pulling the impossible. They are taking whatever is sent to them since the last 3 years. They have invented a new form of warfare (with drones) that has been immediately copied by the russians. And somehow the western world is asking them to bend at 90 degrees and accept conditions such as reduce military force, demilitarize the border zone and give up even more land.
Fuck, this world is unfair and shitty. I feel ashamed of being european — we are not moving a damn finger to help them. These guys are heroes. Slava Ukraini.
Torantes on
misleading at best.
AK56___ on
Sure, it’s like WW1 style, but in case of collapse of one side it will be a total collapse, and unfortunately this situation doesn’t look like in Ukraine favor.
Dizzy_Break_2194 on
You have people on r/conservative tell you with a straight face „Ukraine is getting overrun, they are fleeing, they are going to lose any moment now“
Vhermithrax on
Yet for some reason the US-Russia peace plan looks like Russia is making some decisive victory
Lord_Artes on
I don’t think there main goal is to get more territory. Its more to wait out the support from the west and then get a peace that they want.
And as long as Trump is in office thy might get it.
Rathalos-487 on
To those paying attention to the front, is this accurate?
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All at the discounted cost of 400,00 to 700,000 Russian casualties.
At this point its quite usseles to continue with war: Heavy losses, decreasing economy and alot more.
Think WW1, this is how this works.
That’s almost the land area of Latvia.
While Russian bots try to tell us they would win a war against Europe lol. They sure own Trump for now probably with sordid blackmail but against united Europe they are doomed.
Its just sad what’s happening to Ukrainians and innocent Russians who were forced to fight
It’s a war of attrition:
>A war of attrition is a military strategy aimed at wearing down an opponent through continuous losses in personnel, equipment, and supplies until the enemy’s capacity to fight collapses or their will to continue is exhausted.
If their strategy works, the Ukrainian military will collapse at a certain point in the future.
Attritional warfare which Russia wages is not about conquering territory per se, but inflicting too high casualties to the enemy. Russian strategy is to wait for the Ukrainian reserves of equipment and men to run out and then resume the manouvre warfare, if peace is not achieved before that. Russian way of war has always been to take enemy punches and survive them while punching hard enough to stand at the end of the war.
Russia has succeeded in history in many fights similar to now being waged in Ukraine. during the 17th century they fought against Poland for decades and suffered enormous losses, but Russia won because Poland was exhausted of men before. Russia is really dangerous opponent because they can cause significant damage to their enemies while being able to absorb enormous losses.
Therefore we have to support Ukraine more and make the price too high for Russians. Russias weakness especially is its high tech equipment which is hard to replace like Awacs planes and its fleet and airforce. Russia will not run out of men or tanks or artillery, but they can run out of much of the sophisticated equipment required to wage modern war.
It’s a war of attrition. Russia isn’t focused on capturing territory so much as grinding down the number of Ukrainians on the front lines. I hear people make this argument all the time to make it seem like Ukraine isn’t losing badly.
At this rate they can reach Kyiv in 2075
This is like showing a map of the Battle of Verdun and telling us nothing significant happened.
How many men were killed though?
War is won by attrition, not by how quick land is conquered.
Does anyone know what the Ukrainian/Russian border is like where there isn’t a front?
Worth noting the territory taken is mostly made up of medium sized towns and fields
Since the opening days of the 2022 war, Russia hasn’t actually been able to take a large city, the prospect of them even trying to take one would be very difficult
Adds more perspective
Everyone in these comment talking about a war of attrition that is going to break Ukraine while Ukraine is defending and Russia is Sendung their soldiers in meat waves
Are they trying to capture more or have they just settled on what they’re in possession of?
1% too much.
Sure, but that’s where the russian military mindset kicks in with all its cruelty. They (can afford to??) just send more troops into the meat grinder. At some point there is only another Volkssturm left.
Go back to 2022 and see how much Russia lost from their maximum territory controlled and how much they’ve lost since then. As well as losing the battle of the Black Sea to a navy with no boats lol
Which makes that Kremlin written peace deal presented last week even weirder…they would instantly capture another 5-10% they aren’t occupying and unlikely to ever do so, and the other side would lose all support, all weapons, all allies and have their army reduced!
so, in 2 years, ruzziz could manage to capture 0.62% ok Ukraine. Wow. 100 more years and it would be 62%, if there would still be someone alive in ruzzia
Russia illegally invaded Ukraine during peacetime using non-uniformed soldiers. They stole and annexed territory and desperately tried to take Kiev and the entire country.
The Ukrainians have astoundingly managed to prevent that, and have made Russians pay a very high price in lives for every inch of territory. Russia retaliated by targeting civilians, bombing city cores, torturing and mutilating POW, and even kidnapping and sex trafficking thousands of children.
All the land in red has to be returned to Ukraine, all kidnapped children must be returned, and billions in war reparations are owed.
Ukrainians are pulling the impossible. They are taking whatever is sent to them since the last 3 years. They have invented a new form of warfare (with drones) that has been immediately copied by the russians. And somehow the western world is asking them to bend at 90 degrees and accept conditions such as reduce military force, demilitarize the border zone and give up even more land.
Fuck, this world is unfair and shitty. I feel ashamed of being european — we are not moving a damn finger to help them. These guys are heroes. Slava Ukraini.
misleading at best.
Sure, it’s like WW1 style, but in case of collapse of one side it will be a total collapse, and unfortunately this situation doesn’t look like in Ukraine favor.
You have people on r/conservative tell you with a straight face „Ukraine is getting overrun, they are fleeing, they are going to lose any moment now“
Yet for some reason the US-Russia peace plan looks like Russia is making some decisive victory
I don’t think there main goal is to get more territory. Its more to wait out the support from the west and then get a peace that they want.
And as long as Trump is in office thy might get it.
To those paying attention to the front, is this accurate?