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10 Kommentare
Αν καρτερας που τα mainstream media τα οποια κυριως εν αριστερης ιδεολογιας να σου αποκαλυψουν τα πραγματικα στατιστικα η για το τι πραγματικα συμβαινει τοτε εσωθηκες. Καρτερας που ατομα να σε ενημερωσουν τα οποια για τοσα χρονια εν εφκαλαν αχνα για τις συμμοριες βιασμου (rape gangs) που εβιαζαν μωρα στο Λονδινο αλλα τζ γενικα σε ουλλη την Αγγλια ανενοχλητοι. Μονο τζ μονο που τουτο πρεπει να ανοιξουν λιο τα μαθκια σου
To Londino en tis poutanas pion, ta „maxeromata“ en to pio ligon pou ta provlimata tous
kapia points, to nhs recorded data, den mas dixnoi tzinous pou maxerononte kai DEN pane nosokomeio. Episis cases opos to rotherham scandal pou edei3e oti iparxoyn magala networks kakopoiishs anilikon den katagrafikan apo toys astynomikoys. Ara pori na ipothi oti den katagrafonte kai kapia alla gegonota. An doyme to geniko knife crime graph tis statista edo ( [https://www.statista.com/statistics/864736/knife-crime-in-london/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/864736/knife-crime-in-london/) ) vlepoyme mia geniki ANODO sta knife crimes. Episis an deis ayto to link (https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04304/) uparxi katanoisi oti xreiazete KAI to data tou nhs KAI tis astynomias gia na exoyme kaluterh katanoisi twn gegonoton.
quote „Police and courts crime data depends on offences being reported to the authorities; this won’t capture all instances of knife crime because some offences may not be reported. It is therefore useful to supplement this information with alternative sources such as NHS hospital data.“
[FR](https://www.reddit.com/r/london/s/8muOj0jXkZ)
I replied to your previous post titled in a similarly sarcastic way. I’ll do it again.
It’s great to look at stats. However, stats are meaningless if you don’t a) confirm the stats yourself, and b) derive your own conclusions instead of mindlessly accepting whatever conclusion is given to you. b) is especially important cause frankly even academic papers nowadays end up with conclusions that make the paper just look more impactful than it is. I’m someone in a very statistics-heavy field, and I guarantee you, stats can be coerced or presented in a way that paints a convenient picture. That goes both ways.
Anyway, regarding your post, if you look at the statistics here https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04304/ you will see they tell a very different story. Some areas of London got consistently and significantly worse. Some obviously got better. Knife crime was especially bad in 2019. It got better but then it got worse again. And even if it’s not as bad as it was, in 2019, it does not mean that people should just accept it. People won’t judge safety based on how it was in the last 25 years. That’s irrelevant. Do you judge the quality of your healthcare by comparing it to 50 years ago? No, it doesn’t matter. It’s obviously better now. You care if it got better over the last 2-3 years. Same for crime. People will judge based on the last year or two.
Also: look at the measures being taken to combat this. The measures themselves and the fact that they are needed is not necessarily a good thing. Yeah maybe they are working. But do you really want to live in a city where we have to have signs to remind people to keep distance from the street when walking, to protect their belongings from being snatched by a motorcycle passing by? The measures themselves can create a feeling that the city is not safe. Simply comparing the yearly rates is useful, but also incredibly naive. You are completely ignoring the interventions taken and the side effects of those interventions
Further, look at additional types of crime. Rapes. Threats to kill. Sexual assault.
Reach your own conclusions
Put a man in a suit with a gentle voice to say what is literally the opposite of what all Londoners are saying.
Read between the lines, less incidents treated in hospitals because there are less assaults needing treatment but more murders needing morgues
„**When the data and the anecdotes disagree, the anecdotes are usually right**“.
Ate katse fkale akri na se pisoume esena pou aresen sou i evgeniki foni tze oi omorfi arithmi tis statistikis tis pentaras , me ti logiki tou kanape.
Aspoume re trella mou oti ise esi to PASH victim tou algorithm eskeftikes to ksa enomises en mazi sou to algorithm?
But isn’t it because the numbers are based per 100,000 or per million people?
So if you suddenly increased the population, the crime rate would suddenly drop.
One thing I can’t really stand is how people are saying how London is getting worse. London has always been a relatively bad place to live for hundreds of years already.
Lies and misleading… How about all the reported VS non reported crimes. 15 years ago people would report a lot more than they do today, a time where everyone has lost hope in the assistance of authority.