He won. US lost, no way to turn it around now, unless America and the coalition of EU states start heavy arming Ukraine. Or get involved with their own military which they can’t.
dwite_schrut on
USA should have called moscow nuke bluff years ago and sent soldiers clearing stating that they are here to restore ukraine territorial integrity and not to launch offensive on moscow but us public would never have accepted it once some bodybags gets back to usa so it’s a rather difficult situation for them.
RicochetRandall on
It’s a reasonable proposal. Ukraine has lost the war. They’ve been losing for 3 years but the US still armed them because our defense contractors were profiting immensely during the Biden administration. The longer they fight on now the more lives & land will be lost. It is in their best interest to come to a negotiated settlement with Russia as soon as possible.
The losing party of a war typically does not dictate a peace settlement. Ukraine’s demand for a ceasefire before any peace negotiations is so they can have time to re-arm with the help of Europa & recruit more troops. The main problem is there are barely barely any Ukrainian recruits left, more than a million are dead & hundreds of thousands have fled the country or deserted. They have recently allowed men over 60 to join the army & fight.
Russia wants a lasting permanent peace agreement & is willing to negotiate that rapidly, even making some minor concessions & possibly allowing US security guarantees. But Zelensky will have to make some serious concessions to his unrealistic demands next week.
A more detailed academic realist breakdown of the discussion is here for anyone that’s interested in going beyong the MSM talking points…
Trump is as shit a dealmaker as everyone knows he is
Scary_Compote_359 on
these are not peace proposals. these are terms of surrender
Snottygreenboy on
Delulu
AlternativeCash3313 on
The weakest US president.
Zelenskyy gets scolded and attacked in the White House while fucking war criminal Putin gets a red carpet?!
He achieved nothing, only parroted unacceptable Putin demands – everyone knows he would continue attacking and wouldn’t stop there and Ukraine will never abandon heavily fortified defense line in the middle of Donbas willingly – that would make the rest of Ukraine far more vulnerable. Ukraine knows this and will not sign for this.
He gave to war criminal a platform and an escape of isolation, while looking himself more like his bitch. Imagine if Biden or Obama did this.
He also cynically didn’t involve Ukraine, making it all an obvious farce from the beginning.
If you’re not at the table, you’re on the menu.
DavidVee on
Is one of the demands to release the Trumpstein files?
Gouzi00 on
This is just a mirror of the current state of society.
Nobody have balls to stand up and defend what is right, given or standards in society.
All the countries should unite against Russia and force them to go, where they belong – restoration of Original UA borders.
force how ?
1. Deport all Russian citizens back to russia
2. Freeze all banking accounts as a reserve fund for reparations
3. Stop all import/ export of all Russian products
4. Create international peace operation and remove all Russians from UA territory.
5. Let UA be a neutral state
6. give to Russians warranty that nobody will attack them
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He won. US lost, no way to turn it around now, unless America and the coalition of EU states start heavy arming Ukraine. Or get involved with their own military which they can’t.
USA should have called moscow nuke bluff years ago and sent soldiers clearing stating that they are here to restore ukraine territorial integrity and not to launch offensive on moscow but us public would never have accepted it once some bodybags gets back to usa so it’s a rather difficult situation for them.
It’s a reasonable proposal. Ukraine has lost the war. They’ve been losing for 3 years but the US still armed them because our defense contractors were profiting immensely during the Biden administration. The longer they fight on now the more lives & land will be lost. It is in their best interest to come to a negotiated settlement with Russia as soon as possible.
The losing party of a war typically does not dictate a peace settlement. Ukraine’s demand for a ceasefire before any peace negotiations is so they can have time to re-arm with the help of Europa & recruit more troops. The main problem is there are barely barely any Ukrainian recruits left, more than a million are dead & hundreds of thousands have fled the country or deserted. They have recently allowed men over 60 to join the army & fight.
Russia wants a lasting permanent peace agreement & is willing to negotiate that rapidly, even making some minor concessions & possibly allowing US security guarantees. But Zelensky will have to make some serious concessions to his unrealistic demands next week.
A more detailed academic realist breakdown of the discussion is here for anyone that’s interested in going beyong the MSM talking points…
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q31nwnbNMmo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q31nwnbNMmo)
Trump is as shit a dealmaker as everyone knows he is
these are not peace proposals. these are terms of surrender
Delulu
The weakest US president.
Zelenskyy gets scolded and attacked in the White House while fucking war criminal Putin gets a red carpet?!
He achieved nothing, only parroted unacceptable Putin demands – everyone knows he would continue attacking and wouldn’t stop there and Ukraine will never abandon heavily fortified defense line in the middle of Donbas willingly – that would make the rest of Ukraine far more vulnerable. Ukraine knows this and will not sign for this.
He gave to war criminal a platform and an escape of isolation, while looking himself more like his bitch. Imagine if Biden or Obama did this.
He also cynically didn’t involve Ukraine, making it all an obvious farce from the beginning.
If you’re not at the table, you’re on the menu.
Is one of the demands to release the Trumpstein files?
This is just a mirror of the current state of society.
Nobody have balls to stand up and defend what is right, given or standards in society.
All the countries should unite against Russia and force them to go, where they belong – restoration of Original UA borders.
force how ?
1. Deport all Russian citizens back to russia
2. Freeze all banking accounts as a reserve fund for reparations
3. Stop all import/ export of all Russian products
4. Create international peace operation and remove all Russians from UA territory.
5. Let UA be a neutral state
6. give to Russians warranty that nobody will attack them